New ACMI Agreement Between ABX Air and DHL.

[Clipperskip]

My base is 113K with International override and lines with more than 65 hours pay guaranty and credit for deadheads etc, I will actually be on the north side of 145K.QUOTE]


Slight error. Our monthly gaurantee in now 68 hours and not 65. Another way we reduced our hour rates.

 

[nitefr8dog]

My base is 113K with International override and lines with more than 65 hours pay guaranty and credit for deadheads etc, I will actually be on the north side of 145K.QUOTE]


Slight error. Our monthly gaurantee in now 68 hours and not 65. Another way we reduced our hour rates.

Thanks but... the discussion was where I will be at the end of the year. Without International going forward, 65 hrs thru Apr 1, 68 per mo. after Apr 1 the numbers stand!

 

[DC8CRIVER]

Anyway you package it and try to sell it, you signed the deal and got screwed! The old saying if it sounds to good to be true it probably is just never goes out of style.

Lets see just how bad we at Astar got screwed...

We furloughed 350.
You furloughed 450.

We went from 37 planes to 8.
You went from 139 planes to 13.

We have a contract with DHL that goes to 2019.
You have a contract with DHL that goes to 2015 with a two year extension "right at DHL's sole option".

We own our planes.
Your planes are owned by ATSG and have been going to ATI.

We stood up to DHL and our wages are intact.
You bent over and took it up the tailpipe starting the ATSG Race-To-The-Bottom.

Yep. Looks like we are the ones that got screwed. Just not as bad as you all did.

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[FreightBumper]

Look at the percentages. ABX and ASTAR are about even in regards to pilots lost and airplanes parked. You can't see the forest for the trees. A lot of good folks lost good jobs and have families that are suffering. Trash talking about runways and sorters keeps one from having any true worthwhile discussion.

 

[Ammo captain]

ATI hasn't received any ABX aircraft, except one they did a tail swap for, and that was for ABX's benefit. Just to keep the record straight in the ongoing ABX/Astar feud.

 

[b707guy]

We own our planes.
Your planes are owned by ATSG and have been going to ATI.

Can't argue any of your other points, but give me a tail number that ATI operates (besides 748AX, a non-ETOPS bird which we 'traded' from ABX for one of our ETOPS-capable birds) that ABX has operated or should be operating. (edit: oops, sorry Ammo - didn't scroll down to the bottom before responding to 8's post...)

 

[nitefr8dog]

Lets see just how bad we at Astar got screwed...

We furloughed 350.
You furloughed 450.

We went from 37 planes to 8.
You went from 139 planes to 13.

We have a contract with DHL that goes to 2019.
You have a contract with DHL that goes to 2015 with a two year extension "right at DHL's sole option".

We own our planes.
Your planes are owned by ATSG and have been going to ATI.

We stood up to DHL and our wages are intact.
You bent over and took it up the tailpipe starting the ATSG Race-To-The-Bottom.

Yep. Looks like we are the ones that got screwed. Just not as bad as you all did.

8

So... ASTAR furloughed 75% of it's pilots, ABX furloughed 65%. ABX started with 110 aircraft when DHL made its MAY 28th announcement, we now OWN 38 and operate 23, 15 for DHL (two spares) 1 for Aeromex in LAX (on 4-8-10 they formally asked for 1 additional aircraft for a new flight to Chile )..... 5 in MIA, and 2 currently being operated for TNT in Europe.

ABX owns all 38 aircraft and structures aircraft leases thru CAM Leasing. ( the remaining 15 aircraft are either in mod or scheduled for mod).

DRIVER, Where do you get your info? You need to research the topic you are hijacking/flaming and stop getting your info from third graders you are driving around on the school bus!

P.S. as previously stated the only aircraft ATI has with an AX on the tail was a 1 for 1 trade for 315AA which is an ETOPS aircraft being used on the TNT flight everyday out of JFK.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

So... ASTAR furloughed 75% of it's pilots, ABX furloughed 65%. ABX started with 110 aircraft when DHL made its MAY 28th announcement, we now OWN 38 and operate 23, 15 for DHL (two spares) 1 for Aeromex in LAX (on 4-8-10 they formally asked for 1 additional aircraft for a new flight to Chile )..... 5 in MIA, and 2 currently being operated for TNT in Europe.

ABX owns all 38 aircraft and structures aircraft leases thru CAM Leasing. ( the remaining 15 aircraft are either in mod or scheduled for mod).

DRIVER, Where do you get your info? You need to research the topic you are hijacking/flaming and stop getting your info from third graders you are driving around on the school bus!

P.S. as previously stated the only aircraft ATI has with an AX on the tail was a 1 for 1 trade for 315AA which is an ETOPS aircraft being used on the TNT flight everyday out of JFK.

Well now, let's see how much you now about your company.

FAA records indicate (and data is updated each Federal Working Day at midnight) that:

ABX owns 22 767's.
CAM owns 9 767's including 315AA, 312AA, 712AX, 741AX, 748AX, 752AX, 761AX, 769AX, 775AX.

Any of those tail numbers sound familiar? Enjoy them while they last. Good news is, of course, you'll see them again when you weasel your way onto the ATI seniority list.

8

 

[nitefr8dog]

Well now, let's see how much you now about your company.

FAA records indicate (and data is updated each Federal Working Day at midnight) that:

ABX owns 22 767's.
CAM owns 9 767's including 315AA, 312AA, 712AX, 741AX, 748AX, 752AX, 761AX, 769AX, 775AX.

Any of those tail numbers sound familiar? Enjoy them while they last. Good news is, of course, you'll see them again when you weasel your way onto the ATI seniority list.

8

Driver your previous post said ABX had 13 aircraft, now you say we have 22 which is it. For tax purposes CAM leases the aircraft ABX owns. Even the aircraft ABX owns will be leased thru CAM to DHL. This provides a huge tax advantage. Big difference in who the aircraft is registered too and who owns the aircraft. 38 aircraft by serial number belong to ABX air. Additional aircraft are also on the operating certificate that ABX flies but not owned by ABX. 312AA now and 315AA shortly. The 38 aircraft are tied to ABX and as assets to the Pilot pension. ABX agreed in the new contract only ABX pilots would fly these aircraft ( of the companies under the ATSG umbrella) unless an agreement to swap aircraft for another aircraft was agreed to. (748AX/312AA)

Dry leases thru CAM for aircraft ABX/ATSG are not using are a different story. ( I think ATI owns 5-6 767s and is flying 2?) but are done thru an agreement with 1224, (for the ABX airplanes)...

Now what else would you like to discuss?

 

[FreightBumper]

Driver your previous post said ABX had 13 aircraft, now you say we have 22 which is it. For tax purposes CAM leases the aircraft ABX owns. Even the aircraft ABX owns will be leased thru CAM to DHL. This provides a huge tax advantage. Big difference in who the aircraft is registered too and who owns the aircraft. 38 aircraft by serial number belong to ABX air. Additional aircraft are also on the operating certificate that ABX flies but not owned by ABX. 312AA now and 315AA shortly. The 38 aircraft are tied to ABX and as assets to the Pilot pension. ABX agreed in the new contract only ABX pilots would fly these aircraft ( of the companies under the ATSG umbrella) unless an agreement to swap aircraft for another aircraft was agreed to. (748AX/312AA)

Dry leases thru CAM for aircraft ABX/ATSG are not using are a different story. ( I think ATI owns 5-6 767s and is flying 2?) but are done thru an agreement with 1224, (for the ABX airplanes)...

Now what else would you like to discuss?

You know the old saying" Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." All his ranting dies off pretty quick when you call him on his bs info.