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Never failed a checkride?

SPilot

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Hi,

just curious.

Is there any statistic anywhere, or any way to find out, what percentage of commercial/atp pilots who have never ever failed a check ride, since the beginning of private flight training?

Is it common to never having failed a ride among people who have obtained "all" licenses, or are career pilots...i.e. a commercial/atp license with several variations of the instructor license?
 

kingairyahoo

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Hi,

just curious.

Is there any statistic anywhere, or any way to find out, what percentage of commercial/atp pilots who have never ever failed a check ride, since the beginning of private flight training?

...nope!

Is it common to never having failed a ride among people who have obtained "all" licenses, or are career pilots...i.e. a commercial/atp license with several variations of the instructor license?

...since the answer to your first is nope, all we can base this on is pilots own admission...and we all know pilots never lie, right :D
 

Spooky 2

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...nope!



...since the answer to your first is nope, all we can base this on is pilots own admission...and we all know pilots never lie, right :D

The FAA tracks this on an individual carrier basis. Usually somewhere around 3 to 4 percent. They would like to see it higher but the carriers balk at this notion, thus it remains fairly constant.
 

SPilot

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I can see the headline in the newspapers: "96% of pilots failed their check rides!"
 

kingairyahoo

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The FAA tracks this on an individual carrier basis. Usually somewhere around 3 to 4 percent. They would like to see it higher but the carriers balk at this notion, thus it remains fairly constant.

i will give you carrier specific, but not all the way back to private like he was asking...unless of course i didnt get the secret decoder ring :D
 

Andy Neill

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Hi,

just curious.

Is there any statistic anywhere, or any way to find out, what percentage of commercial/atp pilots who have never ever failed a check ride, since the beginning of private flight training?

Is it common to never having failed a ride among people who have obtained "all" licenses, or are career pilots...i.e. a commercial/atp license with several variations of the instructor license?
I didn't fail any of the 4 FAA checkrides I took (SE Commercial, ME Commercial, SE CFI, and Instrument rating). I failed 2 military checkrides AH-1 annual and OH-58 SIP Initial. Both were subsequently passed within a week with the same evaluators.
 

RCA

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I nearly failed every ride. Never giving up and making imediate corrections seemed to help.
 

Princedietrich

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You'd be very hard pressed to find someone who has never failed a checkride or has never been "thrown a bone" during a checkride.

As for myself, I bombed twice. Once on the private (splattered the last landing, was either tired or just nervous) and once on the instrument rating (got a holding pattern entry backwards during the oral, but personally I think I was robbed on that one because it was a 5 hour long oral and the guy was being FAA observed as a baby DPE). There were a couple of 135 checkrides that I probably should have tanked but I made it through.
 

AeroBoy

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I failed the private. My instructor never taught me how to recover from an unusual attitude with the hood on, and that was quite apparent during my checkride.

Passed the comm, multi, inst and flight instructor checkrides with no problems, though.
 

airventure

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Haven't failed any yet...knock on wood (private, instrument, commercial, multi, CFI, CFII, SIC type, PIC type). However, I had the horrible experience of witnessing a former 747 captain who had never failed a checkride, fail after getting a tailstrike on his sim type ride.
 

navigator72

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I screwed up my instrument BAD!!!!!!!!
I made a bad choice on my commercial that lead to another pinky but that's it.
 

SweatHog

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I failed the private. My instructor never taught me how to recover from an unusual attitude with the hood on, and that was quite apparent during my checkride.

I had this exact same thing happen to me on the private. I had been told by another pilot that this would be required. My CFII told me it "used to be required" but no longer was. I didn't even take the hood with me on the checkride.

I FIRED the CFII as soon as I deplaned at my home airport. I hired a new CFI with whom I had to spend some time (hood training, etc) and took another check ride three weeks later and passed.
 

AeroBoy

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SweatHog, the worst part was that this CFI became the chief pilot while I was his student. And to make things worse he never even told me about the practical test standards, so I had no idea that the requirements for the checkride were spelled out in black and white. I not only fired him after my deficiency training and passed second checkride, I switched schools altogether. I figured with a chief pilot like that, I'd be much better off at another school. That was the one of the best decisions I ever made, IMO.
 

jmreii

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Hi,

just curious.

Is there any statistic anywhere, or any way to find out, what percentage of commercial/atp pilots who have never ever failed a check ride, since the beginning of private flight training?

Is it common to never having failed a ride among people who have obtained "all" licenses, or are career pilots...i.e. a commercial/atp license with several variations of the instructor license?

Take this with a grain of salt, most humans and animals which humans are a part of learn from their mistakes or should. if you never make mistakes how do you learn or check to see if you are doing something right.
The last thirty or so years I have been involve with aviation I have notice some of the dumbest or worst accidents I have ever seen with the immediate flight crew never having failed a single checkride, oral or written. If you believe that one, then you should look in your backyard for that money tree that is growing.
 

SPilot

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Take this with a grain of salt, most humans and animals which humans are a part of learn from their mistakes or should. if you never make mistakes how do you learn or check to see if you are doing something right.
The last thirty or so years I have been involve with aviation I have notice some of the dumbest or worst accidents I have ever seen with the immediate flight crew never having failed a single checkride, oral or written. If you believe that one, then you should look in your backyard for that money tree that is growing.

Wasn't really the learning aspect of it I was interested in, more the 'headline' aspect of how many flight crews put up consistent good performance in the most stressful of situations, FAA check rides that is.

I'm sure that in order to make no mistake during a check ride, many mistakes - enough to cover for the situations encountered during the check ride - have been made and corrected during the training leading up to the perfect rides.
 

scarface

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I flunked a pre solo safe for check flight at Pensacola and a Form 5 check at NAS Whiting(I joined long nose to tail on break up and rendezvous.) Been awhile ago(1970) but I am still fully capable of screwing up a checkride.
 

ALIMBO

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As long as you learn something from your failure you are alright. Now if your going for a a job and you have a multitude of pink slips then it might rise an eye brow. Remember "Learning can be defined as a change in behavior as a result of experience."

"CFI in Training"
Cheers fly safe!
 
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