NetJets Working on CASS Approval?

[BeeDubya]

And thankfully, the PAST.

AMEN, my friend!!

 

[Flopgut]

We also (and still do) demand the highest level of mechanical reliability and aesthetics for the aircraft. Do you do the same?

Get a load of this statement. You know, I hear your QS airplanes down in South America fairly often. (usually with a 2 series number) The anxiety and semi unfamiliarity with ATC and common practice leads me to believe you've got little real concept of the terrain your flying over. I wonder if your owners realize that? I don't have to wonder if your company trains special airports like mine does because I know you don't. Highest level of reliability my a$$.

 

[Flopgut]

I have never publically discussed negotiating tactics or practices. I will not start now.

As FLYLOW said, what is written and what is practiced may be two different things.

Our dispute was with the company, NOT the passengers, owners or cardholders. Recognizing that the owners/cardholders are paying big bucks for our service, I have always treated them with the best "service excellence" I could. Without them, there is no job.

I don't know what you're asking from the last paragraph.

Total BS. You cornholed the customers and you know it. And it would have gotten worse until you got what you wanted.

Can't understand what? Simple english? It's a statement. You are a lesser pilot advocate than the non pilot you fly around. You can't tolerate from others what is in fact the exact behavior you display yourself. You are the lowest form of pilot there is.

 

[BeeDubya]

Total BS. You cornholed the customers and you know it. And it would have gotten worse until you got what you wanted.

Can't understand what? Simple english? It's a statement. You are a lesser pilot advocate than the non pilot you fly around. You can't tolerate from others what is in fact the exact behavior you display yourself. You are the lowest form of pilot there is.

Flopgut,

I do not understand your hostility towards me. I have NEVER posted ANYTHING disparaging about my airline brothers and sisters, nor your attempts to improve your lives or livelihoods. I have never posted anything derrogatory about riding on the airlines, treatment by airline employees, etc.

You did not observe my behavior during 2004/05, so anything you have to say on the subject is speculation.

I have no idea what behaviors you think I exhibit that I cannot tolerate in others. Either you are confusing me with someone else or you are assuming facts not presented.

Fraternally,
BW

 

[FLYLOW22]

Get a load of this statement. You know, I hear your QS airplanes down in South America fairly often. (usually with a 2 series number) The anxiety and semi unfamiliarity with ATC and common practice leads me to believe you've got little real concept of the terrain your flying over. I wonder if your owners realize that? I don't have to wonder if your company trains special airports like mine does because I know you don't. Highest level of reliability my a$$.

Yes, it's true.

We fly to 5,000 airports in the US compared to 500 that ALL of the 121 world serves. That's only the US.

We don't fly the same routes to and from every day like you. We can't possibly memorize all of the frequencies between A and B.

We fly to literally ANY airport in the world with about 5,000 ft of runway. Our pilots fly the North Atlantic, Pacific and to South America. We do it all on any given day.

It's nice that you have the luxury of preparing for your trip a month in advance, flying with another pilot(s) in the same cockpit who is familiar with that same roue that they ALWAYS fly.

Our mission isn't so simple. But then again, that's okay. It's what we do.

BTW, define "special airport". I hope that you don't mean some sissy place like ASE.

Try Bermuda Dunes, CA, Coral Reef Club, FL, Telluride, CO, or just some random ranch airport in TX surrounded by cactus and tumble weeds.

I bet it's been a while since you've had to pick up an IFR clearance over the phone from flight service or cancelled IFR airborne. Hell, how about just flying a real downwind, base and final to a landing (at night to an airport not served by any visual or electronic glidepath info) instead of having ATC hold your hand onto the final approach course of a 10,000 ft dry runway during a CAVU day.

Ever been to Riverside California? Shhhh, Fisch. Don't tell him how fun that place is.

Yesm, I can say without a doubt that NetJets pilots routinely fly to more places, random places than the average 121 guy who does a few Bogata turns. Our apologies if we don't have the deep grumbly voice of a "heavy" pilot on the radio.

What a joke.

So, again... what is the relevance of this info to CASS and NJA?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Total BS. You cornholed the customers and you know it. And it would have gotten worse until you got what you wanted.

Can't understand what? Simple english? It's a statement. You are a lesser pilot advocate than the non pilot you fly around. You can't tolerate from others what is in fact the exact behavior you display yourself. You are the lowest form of pilot there is.

And you are a poo poo nee nee.

There.

Since this is what the thread has degenerated to.

I've actually hot a few more pieces of poo to fling... I haven't stooped this low in a long time.

So THIS is the level one sits to fly such a big, shiny jet. And a TILLER to boot!! Whooooo eeeeee.

Hey Flop. I can get a cup of coffee without saying the secret word, walling off the cockpit and coordinating a football defense line of flight attendants to do it. Isn't that cool?

Yup, all I do is reach right behind me. Hot, steamy coffee. Starbucks if I decide to brew it. Fresh water, free refills and and endless supply of chilled half n half.

Mmmmmmmmm.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Yes, it's true.

We fly to 5,000 airports in the US compared to 500 that ALL of the 121 world serves. That's only the US.

We don't fly the same routes to and from every day like you. We can't possibly memorize all of the frequencies between A and B.

We fly to literally ANY airport in the world with about 5,000 ft of runway. Our pilots fly the North Atlantic, Pacific and to South America. We do it all on any given day.

It's nice that you have the luxury of preparing for your trip a month in advance, flying with another pilot(s) in the same cockpit who is familiar with that same roue that they ALWAYS fly.

Our mission isn't so simple. But then again, that's okay. It's what we do.

BTW, define "special airport". I hope that you don't mean some sissy place like ASE.

Try Bermuda Dunes, CA, Coral Reef Club, FL, Telluride, CO, or just some random ranch airport in TX surrounded by cactus and tumble weeds.

I bet it's been a while since you've had to pick up an IFR clearance over the phone from flight service or cancelled IFR airborne. Hell, how about just flying a real downwind, base and final to a landing (at night to an airport not served by any visual or electronic glidepath info) instead of having ATC hold your hand onto the final approach course of a 10,000 ft dry runway during a CAVU day.

Ever been to Riverside California? Shhhh, Fisch. Don't tell him how fun that place is.

Yesm, I can say without a doubt that NetJets pilots routinely fly to more places, random places than the average 121 guy who does a few Bogata turns. Our apologies if we don't have the deep grumbly voice of a "heavy" pilot on the radio.

What a joke.

So, again... what is the relevance of this info to CASS and NJA?

Very well said. I was going to jump on that one if someone else didn't.

 

[Flopgut]

Yes, it's true.

We fly to 5,000 airports in the US compared to 500 that ALL of the 121 world serves. That's only the US.

We don't fly the same routes to and from every day like you. We can't possibly memorize all of the frequencies between A and B.

We fly to literally ANY airport in the world with about 5,000 ft of runway. Our pilots fly the North Atlantic, Pacific and to South America. We do it all on any given day.

It's nice that you have the luxury of preparing for your trip a month in advance, flying with another pilot(s) in the same cockpit who is familiar with that same roue that they ALWAYS fly.

Our mission isn't so simple. But then again, that's okay. It's what we do.

Puh-lease. Your "mission"? I don't even hear you guys out flying when the wx is bad. You guys might as well be VFR only. I've been on reserve for 7 years. I fly 6 different 737s and with as little two hours notice I've been sent to Quito, Ecuador during a volcanic eruption. Half your guys would pi$$ their pants.

And I'm certainly nothing special. Every pilot I work with does the same thing.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Very well said. I was going to jump on that one if someone else didn't.

Auburn,

Please disregard my next several posts. It's time for me to get down in the mud and play with flop so he can follow along.

I don't want him to feel left out.

(Meanwhile, in the real world I know that we have VERY good people working the CASS issue for all the right reasons. And I THANK THEM!!).

 

[FLYLOW22]

Puh-lease. Your "mission"? I don't even hear you guys out flying when the wx is bad. You guys might as well be VFR only. I've been on reserve for 7 years. I fly 6 different 737s and with as little two hours notice I've been sent to Quito, Ecuador during a volcanic eruption. Half your guys would pi$$ their pants.

And I'm certainly nothing special. Every pilot I work with does the same thing.

And, you think that is safe? Maybe for a $200 ticket, it is. Our clientele doesn't like to fly INTO Pompei. And no, you will not hear us flying into Level 5 weather with you. Feel free to be a real man with all that. We will see you at any large, medium or small field though after shooting any approach down to Cat 1 mins. Our planes just don't do Cat II or IIIabc. As much as I miss a 50 ft. AH...

You act like we all haven't done what you do in our past.


I fly 1 type of Cessna with no prior notice of a trip change. The day could change in an instant. That doesn't matter because we practice Professional Pace and go when we go. We don't take all day but we take adequate time to insure we are as safe as possible.

I'm sad for you that you feel that it is normal to need to memorize 6 different limitations and versions of a jet and then fly to strange places without the proper time to read up on it.

We are fortunate to have Int'l dispatchers prepare a trip specific package of info that contains weather, politics and current events. Heck, we even have translators and security meet us if necessary to handle all the bizznezz.