Netjets TA falls apart!!!

[G4dude]

Thats pretty annoying. If you think NJA pilots weren't working as productively as NJI guys up to, ohhh, about 3 years after the contract became amenable... you are just plain wrong. Working like dogs with smiles on our faces thinking "hmmm should be a contract soon! Bet it will be a good one!"

It was only after we had been screwed over good and hard for a long long time that the "pledge" was invented. Then things slowed down a bit and we got a real offer.

This statement of yours makes me want to vomit. Thanks and have a nice day.

I was referring to the nauseating practice of grounding the airplanes for bogus reasons, which many, but not all, of your Union brethren were doing. I have had several FOs come up to me on the ramp and tell me that was what their captain was doing, and that it was driving them nuts. Speaking of vomit.

 

[gunfyter]

Its over.

I advise everybody lay off inhouse bickering.

As far as productivity. I just finished 7 days and 38 hrs in the X. That is just sightly higher than my average for 7 days of non-pledge flying.

I was devastated for the first two days off... due to the switching back and forth from early shows to late and all night flying.

Nobody could physically be more productive than we were this past week.

This is no easy job.

 

[semperfido]

one of the very nice things about a purely p91 operation is - No one seems to care about productivity.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

You want to be treated like the NJI pilots, behave like them. Be non union and be productive. It is that simple.

Dont forget that you also have to act like an arrogant ego driven dickhead!!

 

[Q-Service]

You want to be treated like the NJI pilots, behave like them. Be non union and be productive. It is that simple.

How dare you presume to lecture NJA pilots about productivity? This company was built to where it is today by the hard work and sacrafice of ALL Netjets pilots. Especially NJA. Your fleet represents 10% of ours!

I have never disrespected an Netjets brother, NJI or otherwise, and I know I don't deserve such assinine statements like these.

 

[Some guy]

I was referring to the nauseating practice of grounding the airplanes for bogus reasons, which many, but not all, of your Union brethren were doing. I have had several FOs come up to me on the ramp and tell me that was what their captain was doing, and that it was driving them nuts. Speaking of vomit.

No worries G4...After watching this for 6 months or so, those who caused the most problems with grounding airplanes have really made a name for themselves. Their true colors have come out in all of this and their time will come. And before everyone goes off on me let me explain myself...

First, nobody in the company has any problem with grounding an airplane if there is an airworthy issue. This company is not in the business of flying unsafe airplanes. When you have an individual ground 10 airplanes in 1 rotation for the same thing, it tends to raise a flag. Expecially when it is stuff like placards or paint. When this happens rotation after rotation with the same individuals of course they will look like the bad guy.

Second, how does it look when a pilot calls in in-flight and says "I have a tire that will be worn beyond limits when I land in BFE"?
How's about the picketing was happening in OMA, we had several calls about issues with aircraft. It was not known by operations that we had prepositioned mechanics in OMA with a whole truckful of parts. Every mx call we had, we immediately send a tech out. In most instances the surprised pilot all of the sudden could not duplicate his / her problem. (I am talking about a response time of only minutes)
These are just a very few of the things I'm talking about.

Also I have seen alot of negativity about your management. I don't know of any management that is perfect. I can understand you guys attitude on upper level management. As far as your CP's, and ACP's, they really are there FOR you. These guys do go to bat for you and if mistakes are made they do what they can to minimize the effects. I recently witnessed a group of ACP's save the jobs of 2 pilots after they ran their wingtip into a fence.

If any of you don't agree with this, that is fine. If you have been brought to CMH for a chat, maybe it's because you fell into a category I spoke of earlier in this post.

SG

 

[FLYLOW22]

Expecially when it is stuff like placards or paint. When this happens rotation after rotation with the same individuals of course they will look like the bad guy.

Soooo what you are saying is that placards are not important and that paint chipping away around the pitot static cluster causing altimitry irregularities in RVSM airspace is even less important. Ok.

 

[squonk]

You want to be treated like the NJI pilots, behave like them. Be non union and be productive. It is that simple.

Let me explain something for you G4 since you obviously don't get it. Who do you think funded Netjets south for ten years or more? That's right NJA. It was our sweat and hard work that allowed Little Ricky to grow you. Who is unproductive?

Who is not showing respect? That's right...NJA south. Welcome to the party boys. Damn glad to meet ya!

 

[squonk]

SomeGuy:

and their time will come

So you're saying that management is vindictive and out to GET pilots for following FAA mandated rules? Are you saying that NJA stands behind this practice?

Just what are you saying?

When you have an individual ground 10 airplanes in 1 rotation for the same thing, it tends to raise a flag.

Uh, maybe ten airplanes had been flying around with an unsafe condition. This pilot should be commended for being SAFE. This is what we advertise to our owners. Correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[Some guy]

Soooo what you are saying is that placards are not important and that paint chipping away around the pitot static cluster causing altimitry irregularities in RVSM airspace is even less important. Ok.

Placards and paint are important. I was using it merely as an example. Why were they not found on the postflight the day before? You and I both know that every aircraft in the world can be grounded for something whether it be regualtory or whatever. And you and both know what I am talking about. And I'm not saying everyone is / was doing it, but there were a few that spent their entire rotation breaking airplanes and in 7 days never once flew. And the guys doing so were causing you to work longer days.

SG

Btw, we do take seriously any paint defects around pitot equipment.

 

[Some guy]

SomeGuy:
So you're saying that management is vindictive and out to GET pilots for following FAA mandated rules? Are you saying that NJA stands behind this practice?

Just what are you saying??

No...Just saying that these guys (and it's only a handful in each fleet) should be careful when this mess gets straightened out. Nobody is out to get anybody, but there are names that stand out when they are obviously trying to hamper the operation. If you sat in the SOC for a couple of days, you would understand how easy it is to figure out what's happening.

Uh, maybe ten airplanes had been flying around with an unsafe condition. This pilot should be commended for being SAFE. This is what we advertise to our owners. Correct me if I'm wrong?

You are correct. And I don't want to see airplanes flying in an unsafe condition either. But do you ground airplanes that have paint missing off of 5 rivets on a wing? Is that really unsafe? How's about the 'anti-ski' tread on a ladder wearing off? Does that affect the safe operation of the aircraft? Is that really unsafe? Please educate me.

SG

 

[ghostrider64]

SomeGuy,

You speak of respect and integrity often. Where has the respect and integrity been for the past 4 years in management. While these negotiations slowly sank to the bottom of the swamp one message was constantly heard from management every week in recurrent. From BB "No matter what, the amount of money available will not change". That was his and every other managers mantra. In other words "we do not respect what you do, Netjets doesn't want you to make this a career, and too bad if you can't take care of your families with what little we pay you, happy holidays". Three things happened at the end of all of this.

1) We discovered that there was more $ available to pay a somewhat respectable salary to pilots.

2) That as a group the NJA pilots had to force the hand of the company by all safe, legal means possible.

3) The most important of all. The company could have prevented all of this animosity 4 Years ago by being respectful to us and inking a respectful contract.

Time will tell if this place ever returns to the happy workplace that I joined over 7 years ago. I have my doubts and I hope I am wrong. Because I am never leaving.

 

[Some guy]

SomeGuy,

You speak of respect and integrity often. Where has the respect and integrity been for the past 4 years in management. While these negotiations slowly sank to the bottom of the swamp one message was constantly heard from management every week in recurrent. From BB "No matter what, the amount of money available will not change". That was his and every other managers mantra. In other words "we do not respect what you do, Netjets doesn't want you to make this a career, and too bad if you can't take care of your families with what little we pay you, happy holidays". Three things happened at the end of all of this.

1) We discovered that there was more $ available to pay a somewhat respectable salary to pilots.

2) That as a group the NJA pilots had to force the hand of the company by all safe, legal means possible.

3) The most important of all. The company could have prevented all of this animosity 4 Years ago by being respectful to us and inking a respectful contract.

Time will tell if this place ever returns to the happy workplace that I joined over 7 years ago. I have my doubts and I hope I am wrong. Because I am never leaving.

Good question in regards to respect from management. 95% of us are at the mercy of that level of management. I am not in your shoes, so could never fully understand your frustrations, but I do know it does have an effect on everyone. I have been with the company almost 5 years and I am hoping you are wrong with your last statement. I remember when everyone was happy with everyone.

Just remember that an upper level management team is never permanent. Also remember that us company "moles" (most of whom are never leaving either) do respect what you do and are here to work for you on a day-to-day basis. I hope we become one team again.

SG

 

[zman300]

Yeah... I always head him referred to in the vernacular of, "I need to take a Santulli." Never the above.

The NJI deal is back on. The TA is going out for a vote. Management has finalized the sacraficing of the NJI lamb.

Didn't Shamalamadingdongtulli tell you that whilst he was in SC? You didn't listen to all of those little white lies now did you??

So, you ARE going to let your anger sacrifice your character and dignity; fine.

Don't worry about what we were told; you'll hear about it when your TA is ratified. If only you knew...

 

[h25b]

Don't worry about what we were told; you'll hear about it when your TA is ratified. If only you knew...

This speaks volumes. Exactly my point to the NJA guys, get over the NJI turf battle, it fruitless... They are only going to weasel out of whatever you negotiate anyway, especially if you give them 3 YEARS !!! Why in the world would you give your "bad faith negotiating" management 3 years?

 

[gunfyter]

Don't worry about what we were told; you'll hear about it when your TA is ratified. If only you knew...

Does that mean it will T me off when I hear it?

Cause the ratification is 3 days before Turkey Day. I don't think it is very nice to T off a couple thousand pilots who have 850 flights to fly the next monday.

But that's just me....

 

[Diesel]

But do you ground airplanes that have paint missing off of 5 rivets on a wing?

I don't even know how'd you write that up. But keep spinning it. That's great.

 

[Some guy]

I don't even know how'd you write that up. But keep spinning it. That's great.

Not spinning anything. I have seen that exact write-up.

SG

 

[Diesel]

Whatever dude. It's not even a writeup and you probably don't even work for NJA.

Keep dreaming of that real job while flying your PS2.

I do enjoy how people that have no aviation experience or have their certificates on the line are all of a sudden experts in what goes on the road and flying in general.

I've seen a football thrown but i'm by no means a NFL quarterback.

 

[Pervis]

Don't worry about what we were told; you'll hear about it when your TA is ratified. If only you knew...

Don't you think it's possible a bunch of NJA people know a bunch of NJI people? None too few are close friends. Spreading rumors like a 7 year old serves no purpose. Nya nya, I know something you don't.

A merge of resources is a good thing for both sides in the long run. Do any NJI folks make 198k/yr at this point? The only people I can see upset with the deal are NJI FO's, worried that they may see a delay in upgrade due to the influx of NJA pilots. That number will be very low for the first three years, so I wouldn't sweat the small stuff. Who knows what will happen after that? That applies to every company in this business-not just NJA and NJI.