Netjets Large Aircraft

[Hawk Driver]

Netjets Large Aircraft Company (NJLA)

NJA has formed a new entity called the Netjets Large Aircraft Company (NJLA), dissolving its joint venture with Boeing and the BNJ program.

This doesn't come as any big surprise that the BNJ program, as we knew it, is gone but forming a new company to fly these planes and any others it adds to the certificate is worrysome...

Anyone heard anything on this?

HD

 

[bizjet737]

obiously i'm biased, but what's so worrisome about this? also, it's nothing new - we've been trying to get rid of boeing for a couple of years.

we got rid of a partner that we didn't need. bookings are up. cabin improvement program started for the bbj's - video-on-demand, new upholstery, more storage areas, etc.

121 cert will be done in april - first cset was this past tuesday - so things are on track. 121 will bring the opportunity for quite a bit more biz - especially in the charter / shuttle type market. if things continue as planned, could have an additional 4-8 large a/c (airliners) up and running next spring/summer.

 

[Hawk Driver]

What bothers me is that a new company was formed to fly these planes...

I don't doubt this will be a boon for Netjets, I just want to know that any subsequent planes will be crewed by NJA and not NJLA!

HD

 

[bizjet737]

it's all the same company just like it was with bnj, basically just a name change now. same seniority list as it was with bnj and everything. we didn't re-bid anything.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

it's all the same company just like it was with bnj, basically just a name change now. same seniority list as it was with bnj and everything. we didn't re-bid anything.

Our current scope language only deals with aircraft in the Quarter Share programme.

135/121 flying could go to EJM or another company.

This is not good news

 

[GVFlyer]

Our current scope language only deals with aircraft in the Quarter Share programme.

135/121 flying could go to EJM or another company.

This is not good news

What does that mean? NJI is a 135 company and you are saying that it should be merged with NJA. What's the difference in scope?

GV

 

[bizjet737]

Our current scope language only deals with aircraft in the Quarter Share programme.

135/121 flying could go to EJM or another company.

This is not good news

so what should we do with the quarter share customers we have and are flying? just sold another share in the bbj last month!
not sure what the big deal is here - nothing has changed except we dumped boeing as a partner from the existing 4yr old program. in doing that, we had to change the name - that's it - nothing else - same pilots, same planes, same seniority list.

 

[Hawkered]

It's time to stop being so paranoid. Any good business idea that involves a profitable outcome of using the BBJs when they are on our contract already, is good news.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

What does that mean? NJI is a 135 company and you are saying that it should be merged with NJA. What's the difference in scope?

GV

I think NJI does even less 135 flying than us, a reason for their different training curriculum. EJM is more like a traditional 135 operation.

How's this for a new name for BNJ: NJA ?

 

[psysicx]

How long does it take to upgrade to the right seat of the BBJ?

 

[bizjet737]

last f/o had about 9yrs seniority - junior bbj f/o seniority #160 approx.

 

[GVFlyer]

I think NJI does even less 135 flying than us, a reason for their different training curriculum. EJM is more like a traditional 135 operation.

Copy that. My sources tell me that NJI is currently training to 135 standards enroute to operating as 121 by 1 January.

GV

 

[Some guy]

NJI going 121??? I thought 121 was 17 or more pax? The G's only carry 13.

 

[NJIG4Driver]

Transition to 121 is in reference to the approved training program only. NJI is transitioning its current approved Part 135 training program over to a Part 121 training/checking program. This is allowed by regulation and will supposedly give us some more flexibility with what can be done with our training time. We'll be doing one training event and one checking event per year rather than the current twice per year training/checking session.

 

[Hawk Driver]

It's time to stop being so paranoid. Any good business idea that involves a profitable outcome of using the BBJs when they are on our contract already, is good news.

I don't disagree that this is a good note for "Netjets." Again, my point is this:

WHY DO WE NEED TO FORM A NEW COMPANY? Why can't these planes be flown under NJA instead of NJLA?

What is to stop the company from hiring outside pilots to crew planes other than the BBJ? From what the release states, bigger planes seem to be on their way...

HD

 

[FL450]

They can call it anything they want, as long as NJA seniority pilots fly the aircraft. This is currently the case. This is also the current plan. Rest assured a sh!t storm will ensue should this ever change.

Growth of NJLA is a good thing. More pilots from our seniority list flying the larger aircraft for larger money is also a good thing.

 

[BBJPILOT]

The reason for the different name is all regultory in nature. When Boeing and NetJets launched their ill conceived partnership, Boeing was the majority partner. The aircraft were going to be, and have now been, on a 135 certificate. This certificate was created in Bradley CT at the FSDO there. The FSDO was "more responsive" to putting "large" aircraft on a 135 certificate. The real reason is that our DO lives there and not in CMH. He doesn't have fly from home privledges, so he simply moves the Company to him!!!

Now fast forward. BNJ desolves and now legally the 135 certificate must be ammended to a new name. And thus, NJLA is born. All this while at the same time, we have a gang of idiots running around trying to create a 121 operation and the money loss it too will generate. The initial FAA conferences are all being done at the same FSDO in CT, because "We have a good relationship"! Well, if it ever happens, then the 135 certificate will go away and be replaced with the 121, and of course, old 60 plus pilots will retire to the 400XP.

The Scope section does not care what the name is other than the fact Net Jets by itself makes it ours. The whole legal issue is, NJA as an entity cannot have two seperate 135 certificates, and as such BNJ was formed. Now, rather than try to spend anoth 16 months in Columbus to get the name change AND certificate approved, it is much easier to simply get a name change on the existing certificate at bradley.

 

[GVFlyer]

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The real reason is that our DO lives there and not in CMH. He doesn't have fly from home privledges, so he simply moves the Company to him!!!

Which, of course, is complete BS. Prior to the BBJ, your DO worked years getting the NetJets 135 certificate for the G-IV and getting Terrain Critical Special Procedures approved for NetJets aircraft. Of course the quickest way to get the BBJ on a 135 ticket was to use the pre-existing relationship with the FSDO. Your DO did a good job.

I suggest that if you have an issue with Steve, you take it up with him directly rather than going behind his back to make fallacious and anonymous posts on an international board.

GV

 

[transpac]

Now fast forward. BNJ desolves and now legally the 135 certificate must be ammended to a new name.

Say what??? Why must the certificate be amended to a new name? Certainly there's no legal requirement for a name change: Either the certificate is valid following an ownership change or it isn't. A name change isn't going to make any difference. There's no reason I can think of (except maybe getting into position to shaft the seniority list) to even have a separate 135 certificate for the BBJ.

 

[paulsalem]

I've heard from a reputable source that any companes that fall under NJA must use NJA unionized pilots.