NetJets Interview Question

[Cavpilot]

what the hell is 1.6 or 3.3 supposed to tell you. I guess when you fly a little navajo or beech jet those numbers are important but when you fly something bigger those numbers mean nothing.

Now this is quite possibly the STUPIDEST thing I have read in a long time.

 

[Correcting]

You really don't know this??? I honestly find that unbelieveable..... And you say you have 5700 hours. This is basic instrument flying knowledge.

1.6/3.3, it's all meaningless in a piston. It's not basic IFR stuff. It's basic turbojet stuff. Go ahead, show me a light piston twin with a second-segment climb chart. Hey, I think there may have been one in my C172 AFM when I was learning to fly. I came to Netjets with no jet experience and had never heard a thing about second segment climb stuff. But you know what, it's real easy to learn.

 

[RNObased]

Obviously RNO doesn't have any 121 time. We fly by the numbers if it says we can do it we do it if it says we can't we don't. what the hell is 1.6 or 3.3 supposed to tell you. I guess when you fly a little navajo or beech jet those numbers are important but when you fly something bigger those numbers mean nothing.

Max Power,
I don't fly a little jet for NJA, I fly the bigger ones, and the performance is very very good. However graident numbers are still in play.

I guess the point I need to make a little better is this. You come to NJA you don't have a book lining out the 20 or so airports that you fly into on a regular basis. You will hit 20 different airport on given tour, easy. This isn't 121 flying, not even close. Thinking on your feet and the running of performace numbers are everyday deals. Dispatch gives you stuff, but you better double check everything.

One of my biggest complaints as a training capt is people not taking the time to look up simple things before they come to me with it. A person will retain something much better if they look it up rather then just taking the simple route and asking. And retention is what I'm going for. That was my issue with the guy who started this thread, 5 mins in the AIM and he would have had his answer.

Sorry if I pissed off you 121 guys....

 

[d91papa]

If one were to look at the performance section of their respective AFM, couldn't they get a good idea of what weight/temperature/altitude begins to give them less than 3.3%, the more restrictive value? I.E., if at 30 degrees C and 5000 feet field alt., one can launch at MTOW and achieve 4.9 % climb gradient OEI, then performance with friendlier environmental numbers can be assumed. (I just pulled these numbers out of the air..FOR TRAINING PURPOSES ONLY!)

(OBTW senior RNO, I didn't know you were the Sundance Kid when I said you were cheating, If I draw on you, you'll kill me! )

 

[DO-82 driver]

I don't know....I didn't appreciate 1.6 vs 3.3 until AFTER getting hired by Executive Jet. Guess I spent too much time flying "puddle jumpers". I survived and other will too. There are a bunch of other things I guess the Chuck Yeagers of NetJets know that I haven't even phathomed yet....The check is still direct deposited evey other Friday....just the same as the Yeagers.

So what if you don't know the difference now.....you will learn it along with alot of other things!!!!!!

The Climb Gradient stuff....you'll learn in 30 mnutes. Then you'll be an "EXPERT" like the other guys on this thread.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

1.6 VFR does not provide any kind of obstacle clearance assurance.

Interesting that there are pilots out there that think it does.

 

[DO-82 driver]

If I could only make a 1.6 I'd be concerned regaurdless of the wx.

Do you really want to depart ASE knowing you can barely make 1.6%?

Just because its legal doesn't mean is the smart thing to do.

A lesson many people in various positions at various factionals should learn

 

[VVJM265]

A 3.3% gradient is the nominal climb gradient required to keep you away from the minimal 1:40 (2.5%) Obstacle Obstruction Surface (OIS), even during a diverse departure, and is equal to 200’/NM [200’ / (6076’/NM) * 100% = 3.29%]. This is mentioned in Sec 5-2-5 of the AIM, in chapter 2 of the Instrument Procedures Handbook, and in the TERPS.

My question is where are you guys getting guys getting 1.6% from? I don’t even see it in FAR 23 or 25. Unless I missed something, these are the minimum requirements for twin engine airplanes:

FAR 23NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES
23.65; Normal climb: 8.3%
23.66; Takeoff climb, one engine inop: as spec’d by the manufacture
23.67; Final climb, one engine inop: 1.5%

FAR 25 TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES
25.119; Normal climb: 8.3%
25.121.b; 2nd segment climb, one engine inop: 2.4%
25.121.c; 3rd segment climb, one engine inop: 1.2%

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Would someone explain where does the 1.6% comes from? It would only equate to a 100’/NM gradient and certainly would not give any obstruction clearance. This is the first time I have heard of it and it doesn’t seem to make much sense.

Thanks,
VVJM265

 

[be-400xpdriver]

A 3.3% gradient is the nominal climb gradient required to keep you away from the minimal 1:40 (2.5%) Obstacle Obstruction Surface (OIS), even during a diverse departure, and is equal to 200’/NM [200’ / (6076’/NM) * 100% = 3.29%]. This is mentioned in Sec 5-2-5 of the AIM, in chapter 2 of the Instrument Procedures Handbook, and in the TERPS.

My question is where are you guys getting guys getting 1.6% from? I don’t even see it in FAR 23 or 25. Unless I missed something, these are the minimum requirements for twin engine airplanes:

FAR 23NORMAL, UTILITY, ACROBATIC, AND COMMUTER CATEGORY AIRPLANES
23.65; Normal climb: 8.3%
23.66; Takeoff climb, one engine inop: as spec’d by the manufacture
23.67; Final climb, one engine inop: 1.5%

FAR 25 TRANSPORT CATEGORY AIRPLANES
25.119; Normal climb: 8.3%
25.121.b; 2nd segment climb, one engine inop: 2.4%
25.121.c; 3rd segment climb, one engine inop: 1.2%



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Would someone explain where does the 1.6% comes from? It would only equate to a 100’/NM gradient and certainly would not give any obstruction clearance. This is the first time I have heard of it and it doesn’t seem to make much sense.

Thanks,
VVJM265

2.4% is what the factory test pilots can do with perfect flying and a perfect brand new airplane. The faa figures you are not as good as test pilot (unless you work for xjt) and your plane is not in perfect shape. So they do a .8% subtraction for pilot technique and for the plane and come up with 1.6% net climb gradient

 

[d91papa]

2.4% is what the factory test pilots can do with perfect flying and a perfect brand new airplane. The faa figures you are not as good as test pilot (unless you work for xjt) and your plane is not in perfect shape. So they do a .8% subtraction for pilot technique and for the plane and come up with 1.6% net climb gradient

Yup, that's my understanding too. Regarding ASE, isn't there a restrictive climb gradient requirement even when departing VFR? I haven't looked at ASE for awhile.

 

[Wacopilot]

[quote=RNObased]Max Power,
I don't fly a little jet for NJA, I fly the bigger ones, and the performance is very very good. However graident numbers are still in play.

I guess the point I need to make a little better is this. You come to NJA you don't have a book lining out the 20 or so airports that you fly into on a regular basis. You will hit 20 different airport on given tour, easy. This isn't 121 flying, not even close."

I'm about to start at NetJets and my airline flew to 123 airports.....and yes, we did have the numbers for all of them. You guys are dorks.....use your off time to golf, fish, or anything else that is normal. I sure hope this isn't the flightdeck conversation I get to look forward to..... RNObased, maybe you will be my instructor but since I flew an airplane bigger than yours, do I get to teach you??????

Awesome

Waco.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

I'm about to start at NetJets and my airline flew to 123 airports.....and yes, we did have the numbers for all of them. You guys are dorks.....use your off time to golf, fish, or anything else that is normal. I sure hope this isn't the flightdeck conversation I get to look forward to..... RNObased, maybe you will be my instructor but since I flew an airplane bigger than yours, do I get to teach you??????

Awesome

Waco.

Come fly with me in the 400xp. All I do is talk about football, beer, and jessica simpson.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

123 airports! Thats impressive. We use thousands. Each year Netjets will fly to more than 123 nations.

I am sure you will have lots of fun here. If you are a little nicer in real life than your post suggests.

Ok so this is a childish post. I know it.

 

[Wacopilot]

I'm just picking on RNOBased, his airplane weighed less than mine and I wanted to feel cool. So football.... now that I know something about.... and Jessica Simpson, yummy. Scott, are there really 123 nations? If so, wow!!! NJA is awesome.

Waco

 

[CheeseDick]

I'm just picking on RNOBased, his airplane weighed less than mine and I wanted to feel cool. So football.... now that I know something about.... and Jessica Simpson, yummy. Scott, are there really 123 nations? If so, wow!!! NJA is awesome.

Waco

f dat, they are still missing out on 70 or so nations. That's just coming up short. . . kind of like an Ohio State athletic program.