Netjets Interveiw

[Fracster]

This one I am not sure.

Its my understanding that if you are terminated you are no longer required to pay back the training contract.

Also, given the experience of the MEC I can almost assure you that anyone on probation will not be asked, required or punished for taking/not taking part in any work actions legal or otherwise.

Send the app in, do the interview and then delay any class dates. Like I said, its better to have the extra opportunity just in case.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Why in the hell would anyone want to hire into THIS mess ? Sadomasochists !

 

[skyaddict]

Because that's how bad regional QOL is, at least if you're a commuter.

 

[Fracster]

Ok, here I come as the unlikely voice of reason.

Lets face it, we get a call from "the evil empire" the night before(no more calls with 91K) and I show 2 hours early for the airline. I print my ticket the night before and make the most of my drive to the airport. I clear "security" and make my way to starbucks. I greet the ladies at the counter with a smile and request my favorite cup of tea. Occasionaly I will walk on the wild side and have a latte.
I pay for my beverage and make my way to the gate. I rest comfortably sipping my hot beverage and reading a periodical knowing full well I am in the premier, elite, or whatever they call it this week, group so I board first.
Most of the time I am in uniform and devilishly handsome at that so the F/A greets me with a smile and offers me a bottle of water. I accept and now I am set. That my friends is commuting for the typical NJA pilot. (I cant guarantee the handsome part)

On my last day it is typicaly the same except the wild side of me comes out and I sometimes go in civies. Yes, thats right, after my last leg I will don the last day outfight of jeans and a shirt with a comfortable pair of shoes and blend in with the masses. Upon reaching the gate at my home apt. I call the fbo shuttle for a ride back to my car. I tip my friendly van driver, use the facililty and then I am off to the highway and my peaceful journey home.

This is commuting for an NJA pilot. I live within an hour of my gateway so my drive, though longer than I would like, is a straight shot.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you guys airline first class?

I didnt think NJA would be so generous...

 

[Fracster]

We do on occasion but due to our frequent airlining we build up points rather fast. If not first class then we still get on after the first class people. All I care about is my bag. I refuse to check it so I dont like scrounging for space. That and I have a 27".

 

[skyaddict]

How much bag room is there for crew bags on a Citation after you load all those 'real jobs' new money VIPs bags on board, anyway?

 

[FracCapt]

Also, given the experience of the MEC I can almost assure you that anyone on probation will not be asked, required or punished for taking/not taking part in any work actions legal or otherwise.

The way I look at it....if you hire into something like this, and don't strike when the decision is made....you are a (insert dreaded 4 letter word here).....probation or not. You sure can't say "I didn't know".

 

[FracCapt]

How much bag room is there for crew bags on a Citation after you load all those 'real jobs' new money VIPs bags on board, anyway?

Crew bags first. If all the pax bags don't fit after that, ship 'em. You don't leave crew baggage behind.

 

[JetProp]

Where exactly is the 5 year upgrade estimate coming from?

I've been here 2-1/2 years and I'm still about 300 numbers from the most junior captain (based on recent awards). It took that amount of time to move up 300 numbers from the bottom. So, I guess another 2-1/2 years to move up 300 more numbers to become a junior captain.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Comair Strike of 2001

On the 1st day of the strike around 50 or so new hires where in class (either ground, systems, or sims). These pilots were layed off by the company. ALPA still payed these pilots Strike Pay, even though the company considered them terminated.

Over 250 pilots where on probation during the strike, and not one of them crossed the picket line. And many, many, MANY of them walked in circles for 89 days. There were no probationary pilots asked, forced or otherwised made to operate Comair aircraft during the strike.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Comair Strike of 2001

On the 1st day of the strike around 50 or so new hires where in class (either ground, systems, or sims). These pilots were layed off by the company. ALPA still payed these pilots Strike Pay, even though the company considered them terminated.

Did any of them get their jobs back?

Over 250 pilots where on probation during the strike, and not one of them crossed the picket line. And many, many, MANY of them walked in circles for 89 days. There were no probationary pilots asked, forced or otherwised made to operate Comair aircraft during the strike.

Did any of them get fired? If so, did they get their jobs back?

 

[Freight Dog]

Initially, CMR terminated the newbies and probies, but part of the back-to-work agreement was that they had to "re-hire" all those probies/trainees.

I would imagine that should there be a job action at NJA, the union won't hang the newbies out to dry...

 

[METARMan]

Is the NJA pilot contract/collective bargaining bound by the same rules that FAR 121 airlines are (Railway Labor Act - RLA)?


Thanks,

METARMan

 

[skyaddict]

Also on the topic of a potential strike... Is there not quite a bit of excess jet charter capacity out there that the company could and would at least try to use to cover their flying, as well as tons of cash to use for that if need be? Just wondering how hard-ball things will get.

 

[Grizz]

Metar - Yes.

sky - We have numerous times in the past year exhausted all available contract flights along with the flights we have flown. The answer to your question is no, there is not enough excess charter jet traffic to replace us if we were to walk out.

 

[Fracster]

Not even close to enough charger to make up the flying. The thing is the companies we use for venders have to be approved and I believe most have to be Wyvern apporved as well.

Also, given the recent charter accidents the owners are not to keen on flying on a vendor aircraft. Although their contract stipulates the company has a right to replace an NJA aircraft with that of a vendor many owners are refusing and complaining.

Owners buy into NJA for many reasons and one is safety. A solid safety record is one area an NJA pilot can be quite proud of.

 

[Live4flyng]

Don't let them (interviewers)sell you anything else, and besides being poorly paid you might be asked to strike while on probation. Lots to think about, good luck.

"I sincerely hope that you are not even suggesting the notion that probationary crew members would be asked to participate in a strike.

As a previous mid-level captain at another airline, I would NEVER have asked our probationary pilots to walk a line. Why not do what Comair did a few years ago and allow the probationary pilots to go to work while all others walked the line. This way your probationary pilots don't get fired, which the company would do, and still very few flights (if any) would operate.[/QUOTE]"

Well 800 Driver, I would fully expect all union pilots to participate in a strike if asked to. Regardless of probation status, the CBA clearly states we are not required to enter upon any property involved in a labor dispute, picket line etc. including OUR OWN. Read the contract, it's not considered a violation and SHALL NOT be cause for discharge or disciplinary action.

If you go to work for NJA, be prepared to walk.

 

[El Chupacabra]

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I sincerely hope that you are not even suggesting the notion that probationary crew members would be asked to participate in a strike.

Of course Probationary Pilots must strike.

 

[Live4flyng]

Last 2 sentences are mine. The quote got screwed up.