NetJets International Interview

[GVFlyer]

I always laugh when people say "you don't need a union at my company." "Mgmt treats us right." These idiots think that the same mgmt. team will be there for their entire career. What happen when a new team comes in and cuts your pay or job? You get screwed.

We don't need a union at my company. We are management and qualify for management incentives as do the test pilots at Boeing.

NJI pilots are the LOWEST PAID G4 G5 pilots in the country.

That is simply not true. New hires are compensated at 50% percentile NBAA. Senior Captains do considerably better. I'm not going to tell you how much better because I suspect that you are simply fishing for information and I do not want to fuel the fires of controversy here.

GV

 

[h25b]

We don't need a union at my company. We are management and qualify for management incentives as do the test pilots at Boeing.



That is simply not true. New hires are compensated at 50% percentile NBAA. Senior Captains do considerably better. I'm not going to tell you how much better because I suspect that you are simply fishing for information and I do not want to fuel the fires of controversy here.

GV

Oh boy G-VFlyer... Now that you directly contradicted them with cold, hard fact they are sure to tell you to crawl back under some rock or resort to some other schoolyard insult.

 

[Hogprint]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

Perhaps the UNION is the crux of the problem and the reason you are not 50%- I think that is the point.

 

[h25b]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

Great goal... Not at all unreasonable. It's how some of you guys are deciding to get to that point that's the problem. The other debate is whether having a union on the property has been a help or hinderance during that process.

 

[Hogprint]

Perhaps the UNION is the crux of the problem and the reason you are not 50%- I think that is the point.

Were the pilots in the 50 percentile pre-union? I doubt it. Maybe prior MECs were outclassed/outsmarted/outnegotiated by the company? Whos fault is that? Ours, thats whose.

That is why we are working to change things. I only hope we have your support Dsptchr.

 

[Hogprint]

h25b,

I guess we could debate the finer points of Union/non union till we're blue in the face. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm playing with the hand I was dealt.

I know what your alluding to when you say we are going about it the wrong way. I think your concerns in that matter have been dealt with and hopefully we can proceed on a new tack.

 

[h25b]

h25b,

I guess we could debate the finer points of Union/non union till we're blue in the face. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm playing with the hand I was dealt.

I know what your alluding to when you say we are going about it the wrong way. I think your concerns in that matter have been dealt with and hopefully we can proceed on a new tack.

I think you're correct, but still the vocal idiots of the union still carry on... That's one of the problems of a group process such as collective bargaining. You all get judged as the group. There's no doubt the majority of you guys are great individuals, see them every day. But you also get to see the few around that I can just picture as the "Starman" populous.. So what the MEC needs to do is make its policies well known (i.e. Website) AND professionally solicite the support of industry pilots. NONE of us would ever think twice about flying a sell-off so it's stupid to even let that rumor fly around. It just stirs the pot. I don't have any idea what kind of helpful support you could get by all of us, but it would at least be nice to garner maybe the occasional "keep your head up!" from us guys on the road.

I believe that the scab list thing was just rantings of a select few idiots that are too stupid to see the big picture and probably always will be, which is why they probably DO believe that a union is the only way to go. Because they wouldn't last 2 days outside of one.

But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

 

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But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

I think you are giving this board too muck credit. Most pilots don't read it and if they do, understand the ramblings of the few.

 

[h25b]

But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

I think you are giving this board too muck credit. Most pilots don't read it and if they do, understand the ramblings of the few.

I don't think I ever said that I had had ANY expectations... Just making suggestions. This is after all, a discussion board...

I think you'd be surprised how many AND who reads this board... At least for entertainment purposes...