NetJets International Interview

[dsptchrnja]

Like I said before...Produce the documentation I've asked for or keep quiet...Until you can then you should stick to dispatching and I'll stick to flying...Our so called areas of expertise....

The same topic came up in Buffett Makes $5.1B Bid in Power Industry. You can see the comments there.

 

[FamilyGuy]

The NMB's decision basically said that they would be ready to resume mediated negotiations once the union and the company agree on the cost of proposals on the table and the financial condition of the company. Why is everyone assuming this will take months or years to get done?

Without complete and open access to all books involving NJA, Inc. (everything from NJI to Sales, Service, Mgt and Insurance) how can you agree? Shall we just say, "We trust these numbers you're showing us." You people are soft as puppy ***T.

Soft as puppy ***t? Are you sure that isnt your mind? too many jet fumes lately? or would Teamster BS be the source of your idiocy? Here's last friday's post from the intranet:

Today, the NMB notified us verbally that the remaining two bargaining sessions allotted to this matter would be held in abeyance until the company and the union mutually notify the NMB that a full understanding of the company’s costs and financial performance has been achieved by the union and/or its advisors. We expect to receive written communication of this decision from the NMB in the next couple of days.
We are delighted with this decision as it is precisely what we have been asking and encouraging the union leadership to do for the past many months. We have repeatedly offered to open the books of the entire company to competent analysis so that the discussion about the future for our pilots and the company can be fact based and a fair and affordable agreement can be achieved.

 

[x402]

Soft as puppy ***t? Are you sure that isnt your mind? too many jet fumes lately? or would Teamster BS be the source of your idiocy? Here's last friday's post from the intranet:

Today, the NMB notified us verbally that the remaining two bargaining sessions allotted to this matter would be held in abeyance until the company and the union mutually notify the NMB that a full understanding of the company’s costs and financial performance has been achieved by the union and/or its advisors. We expect to receive written communication of this decision from the NMB in the next couple of days.
We are delighted with this decision as it is precisely what we have been asking and encouraging the union leadership to do for the past many months. We have repeatedly offered to open the books of the entire company to competent analysis so that the discussion about the future for our pilots and the company can be fact based and a fair and affordable agreement can be achieved.

You keep believing what BB tells you, the NMB didn't say we (pilots) need to buy what they were selling, it wasn't an endorsment of the company position. They said there will be no more Mediated sessions UNTIL these financials are understood and accepted by both parties. So, do you think the NMB is on the company side, there not. The parties need to come together and a FULL examination of ALL books will be a good start.
At the last session the company postition was, "Here are the numbers, you cannot have any other supporting documentation."

They don't want the whole story told and this is the position Boisture has put you in.

 

[FamilyGuy]

You keep believing what BB tells you, the NMB didn't say we (pilots) need to buy what they were selling, it wasn't an endorsment of the company position. They said there will be no more Mediated sessions UNTIL these financials are understood and accepted by both parties. So, do you think the NMB is on the company side, there not. The parties need to come together and a FULL examination of ALL books will be a good start.
At the last session the company postition was, "Here are the numbers, you cannot have any other supporting documentation."

They don't want the whole story told and this is the position Boisture has put you in.

If that's accurate then why dont you start telling the 'whole story' rather than pissing everyone off with your sophmoric rants and trying to insult everyone?

So far the only party that is talking rationally is the company. If you want to be heard then you need to talk intelligently and rationally. Instead, this is a sample of what we've been graced with from the pilots on this board:

You people are soft as puppy ***T.

An idiotic Nutjets management troll. LOL. Dolt.

AND WHO THE FUK ARE YOU??? WHUTA DIKHED.

You want to know whats really "hysterical"? That any Jr. High School educated, twice dipped in shat moron could do YOUR job.

Wanabees, nevercoulds, and neverwills. Pretty much sums up the job of "Crew Servicer". So go ahead, SERVICE ME. NOW!! And smile while you're doing it.

I'll tell you what is funny.....When douche bag NJA Owner shows up for his flight and I pull out the write up that I have been carrying for the last two days and ground the airplane just before his trip. After waiting at the FBO for hours the poor dumbass gets chartered out on some piece of crap vendor that has a piss poor safety record and his catering gets lost and some of his bags don't get loaded. Now thats some funny stuff!!! HA HA..

The belief that so called NJA Owner is a real owner is a freaking joke. He must be a real nerd to spend all his time at this site with all his money. Maybe I'll take his wife in the back on the next flight and introduce her to the mile high club, then I'll make him fix me a sandwich. What up Biiiiotch!!!

Oh poor DickItcher, I mean Dispatcher please don't ignore me. Come back and play.

 

[x402]

If that's accurate then why dont you start telling the 'whole story' rather than pissing everyone off with your sophmoric rants and trying to insult everyone?

So far the only party that is talking rationally is the company. If you want to be heard then you need to talk intelligently and rationally. Instead, this is a sample of what we've been graced with from the pilots on this board:

The real question should be why don't YOU educate yourself, before you come on this board as a 'non pilot' and tell us how kind the company was/is. RTS sold a company he owned for <10 years for 725 million dollars. What he did to keep it afloat while the frational model matured was in his best interest. I know RTS is a generous man in some instances, but not when it comes to his NJA pilots. His statement from the last contract " You guys could have done alot better than that," is burned in the collective memory of the group.
Our rant come from the utter frustration of 4 years of bad faith bargining and still doing a job that puts NJA at the top of the list in owners surveys.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Our rant come from the utter frustration of 4 years of bad faith bargining and still doing a job that puts NJA at the top of the list in owners surveys.

No argument about the owner surveys. However if the Federal goverment agreed with you that the company has bargained in bad faith you would be preparing to strike. They don't and you aren't.

 

[dsptchrnja]

You keep believing what BB tells you, the NMB didn't say we (pilots) need to buy what they were selling, it wasn't an endorsment of the company position. They said there will be no more Mediated sessions UNTIL these financials are understood and accepted by both parties. So, do you think the NMB is on the company side, there not. The parties need to come together and a FULL examination of ALL books will be a good start.
At the last session the company postition was, "Here are the numbers, you cannot have any other supporting documentation."

They don't want the whole story told and this is the position Boisture has put you in.

I don't think anyone said the recent NMB decision was a endorsement of the company position. But it goes without saying the company was clearly pleased with it simply because this is what they've been asking of the union for quite some time. Apparently the company has nothing to fear by opening the financials. Can the same be said of the union?

 

[x402]

Can the same be said of the union?

They can look at our financials, anytime. lol

If they will give unfettered access, you might have a point. But they haven't done that to this point.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Can the same be said of the union?

They can look at our financials, anytime. lol

If they will give unfettered access, you might have a point. But they haven't done that to this point.

They offered.

 

[x402]

They offered.

no they haven't, they offered their version of full disclosure.

 

[FAcFriend]

yes, they did offer and the union has said as much. They offered full disclosure with professionals hired by the union present.

Ask your guys..

 

[x402]

yes, they did offer and the union has said as much. They offered full disclosure with professionals hired by the union present.

Ask your guys..

I have and I'll stand by my statement that it was not everything needed. Don't believe what you read on the INTRANET. It's well crafted to do a specific job and honest discourse is not its aim.

 

[dsptchrnja]

no they haven't, they offered their version of full disclosure.

Exactly how many versions of financial records do you think NJA keep?

 

[x402]

Exactly how many versions of financial records do you think NJA keep?

I understand that you all are happy with your pay and lifestyles, but please try and take off the colored glasses for just a little while and look at what is going on around you.
The company is shuffling money from one pocket to the other as fast as they can. It's a brilliant scheme, over pay/charge for service (your job) vendors (ejm etal) training (FSI) and end up with a small profit for NJA (pilots).
Guess where all the money goes, BKS.
It doesn't matter if we (NJA) make a profit, it only matters that 'Flight Services' continues to thrive and they are doing well. The numbers we can't see are the details of all the transactions, we are expected to accept gross figures for the above expenses without attribution to the specific vendors.
Just think of the mischief that is going on with large dollars knowing we pay $50.00 a quart for oil at EJM's White Plains hanger and retail prices for training at FSI.
This is a GREAT SCHEME and there is a TON of money to go around. As pilots we are asking/demanding our fair share. NJA has been built on low paid pilots going back to PFTand cheap labor in CMH. The time has come to bring the pay scales into the 21st century.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I understand that you all are happy with your pay and lifestyles, but please try and take off the colored glasses for just a little while and look at what is going on around you.
The company is shuffling money from one pocket to the other as fast as they can. It's a brilliant scheme, over pay/charge for service (your job) vendors (ejm etal) training (FSI) and end up with a small profit for NJA (pilots).
Guess where all the money goes, BKS.
It doesn't matter if we (NJA) make a profit, it only matters that 'Flight Services' continues to thrive and they are doing well. The numbers we can't see are the details of all the transactions, we are expected to accept gross figures for the above expenses without attribution to the specific vendors.
Just think of the mischief that is going on with large dollars knowing we pay $50.00 a quart for oil at EJM's White Plains hanger and retail prices for training at FSI.
This is a GREAT SCHEME and there is a TON of money to go around. As pilots we are asking/demanding our fair share. NJA has been built on low paid pilots going back to PFTand cheap labor in CMH. The time has come to bring the pay scales into the 21st century.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who gets a better rate at Flight Safety than we do. I asked the question over a week ago and no one seems able to give an answer.

If you want people to believe your stories about NJ funneling money off the books by paying too much to FSI then step up and tell us the following:

1. NetJets rates at FSI
2. Name of Other customer that gets better rates at FSI than NetJets\
3. Other Customers rates at FSI

If you cant provide this information then this is just another baseless allegation with no merit whatsoever....Step up and provide the info or shut up.

Last time I heard, EJM is a break even business. If we are funneling money to EJM then why arent they making money hand over fist?

I dont know what the going rate for a quart of oil is at an FBO. $50 sounds bad, but so does $30 for a crew meal, or crews taking sedans instead of taxis.
What's the normal rate for oil at an FBO? Is the $50 for just the oil or is there a labor charge as well?