NetJets International Interview

[GVFlyer]

I always laugh when people say "you don't need a union at my company." "Mgmt treats us right." These idiots think that the same mgmt. team will be there for their entire career. What happen when a new team comes in and cuts your pay or job? You get screwed.

We don't need a union at my company. We are management and qualify for management incentives as do the test pilots at Boeing.

NJI pilots are the LOWEST PAID G4 G5 pilots in the country.

That is simply not true. New hires are compensated at 50% percentile NBAA. Senior Captains do considerably better. I'm not going to tell you how much better because I suspect that you are simply fishing for information and I do not want to fuel the fires of controversy here.

GV

 

[h25b]

We don't need a union at my company. We are management and qualify for management incentives as do the test pilots at Boeing.



That is simply not true. New hires are compensated at 50% percentile NBAA. Senior Captains do considerably better. I'm not going to tell you how much better because I suspect that you are simply fishing for information and I do not want to fuel the fires of controversy here.

GV

Oh boy G-VFlyer... Now that you directly contradicted them with cold, hard fact they are sure to tell you to crawl back under some rock or resort to some other schoolyard insult.

 

[Hogprint]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

Perhaps the UNION is the crux of the problem and the reason you are not 50%- I think that is the point.

 

[h25b]

Is it too much to ask that NJA new hires be paid in the 50 percentile? Is it asking too much that our senior captains do considerably better?

After all is said and done, that is the crux of the problem. They are not and we are trying to attain that goal.

Great goal... Not at all unreasonable. It's how some of you guys are deciding to get to that point that's the problem. The other debate is whether having a union on the property has been a help or hinderance during that process.

 

[Hogprint]

Perhaps the UNION is the crux of the problem and the reason you are not 50%- I think that is the point.

Were the pilots in the 50 percentile pre-union? I doubt it. Maybe prior MECs were outclassed/outsmarted/outnegotiated by the company? Whos fault is that? Ours, thats whose.

That is why we are working to change things. I only hope we have your support Dsptchr.

 

[Hogprint]

h25b,

I guess we could debate the finer points of Union/non union till we're blue in the face. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm playing with the hand I was dealt.

I know what your alluding to when you say we are going about it the wrong way. I think your concerns in that matter have been dealt with and hopefully we can proceed on a new tack.

 

[h25b]

h25b,

I guess we could debate the finer points of Union/non union till we're blue in the face. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm playing with the hand I was dealt.

I know what your alluding to when you say we are going about it the wrong way. I think your concerns in that matter have been dealt with and hopefully we can proceed on a new tack.

I think you're correct, but still the vocal idiots of the union still carry on... That's one of the problems of a group process such as collective bargaining. You all get judged as the group. There's no doubt the majority of you guys are great individuals, see them every day. But you also get to see the few around that I can just picture as the "Starman" populous.. So what the MEC needs to do is make its policies well known (i.e. Website) AND professionally solicite the support of industry pilots. NONE of us would ever think twice about flying a sell-off so it's stupid to even let that rumor fly around. It just stirs the pot. I don't have any idea what kind of helpful support you could get by all of us, but it would at least be nice to garner maybe the occasional "keep your head up!" from us guys on the road.

I believe that the scab list thing was just rantings of a select few idiots that are too stupid to see the big picture and probably always will be, which is why they probably DO believe that a union is the only way to go. Because they wouldn't last 2 days outside of one.

But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

 

[x402]

But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

I think you are giving this board too muck credit. Most pilots don't read it and if they do, understand the ramblings of the few.

 

[h25b]

But this is exactly where your leadership needs to be the cooler hands and see its responsibility to clear up any misinformation. Especially when its making the membership as a whole look horrible to other industry "professionals". I can tell you for fact that there's been a ton of damage already done by this.

I think you are giving this board too muck credit. Most pilots don't read it and if they do, understand the ramblings of the few.

I don't think I ever said that I had had ANY expectations... Just making suggestions. This is after all, a discussion board...

I think you'd be surprised how many AND who reads this board... At least for entertainment purposes...

 

[dsptchrnja]

Were the pilots in the 50 percentile pre-union?

Irrelevent. You are negotiating with today's leadership, not yesterday's.

I only hope we have your support Dsptchr.

You certainly have my support for a raise. There is a proposal on the table for a 23%-40% increase in pay - I support you voting yes and get this thing over with.

 

[El Chupacabra]

There is a proposal on the table for a 23%-40% increase in pay - I support you voting yes and get this thing over with.

That won't happen. There won't even be a vote.... The proposal is DOA.

 

[dsptchrnja]

That won't happen. There won't even be a vote.... The proposal is DOA.

Unfortunate. Then I guess it is time for the nay-sayers to move on. It's hard to believe you're going to see much better than that.

 

[smartestwife]

dispatcher

There is nothing to vote on. The union has to approve and present to the members to begin with. There is more to it than just the salary money-

 

[Hogprint]

Irrelevent. You are negotiating with today's leadership, not yesterday's.

Ok dsptchr, using that logic then judge us on what we are doing under this leadership. Good, bad or indifferent. Most of the anti-union screed on this board sites examples under former leadership (with the exception of a couple).

What you are witnessing now is a union with some moxie. It is glaringly obvious when you sit back and compare the two. Believe me, we want this over also.




On another note....h25b,

Most of the corporate guys I have talked to on the road have been very supportive of our efforts. If any were not, then they didn't let on about it. I have gone out of my way over the last few months to get a feel for how this situation is perceived out in the FBOs. I always thought of this as an in-house issue, but lots of folks are paying attention.

Thanks for the "keep your heads up" it has meant a lot to many of us. To all who support our efforts a heart felt thank you.

 

[AA717driver]

I don't know of too many people who aren't supportive of NJA getting a much improved contract.

My criticisim all along has centered on the drive to force NJI into the union and the ill-advised labelling of 135 pilots as SCABS.

Some of my other comments about trusting your union too much or expecting too much from the process come from my personal experience and is offered so you don't go through the disillusionment and anger I experienced.TC

 

[bertengineer]

NJA Teamsters

It's a sorry bunch of pilots who try to better their own positions at the cost of other pilots. They're only your brothers if they pay dues to the Teamsters local, right? Calling guys in 135 companies that are only doing their job SCABs and trying to steal what the NJI pilots have worked hard to get is beneath contempt, as is trying to intimidate the pilots at NJA into towing the union line. It's all just typical union thuggery.

 

[dsptchrnja]

Ok dsptchr, using that logic then judge us on what we are doing under this leadership. Good, bad or indifferent.

Fair enough. Let's see... as a direct result under your new leadership would you say you are happier, contented, more satisfied, than the non-union NJI/EJM? Paid as well? QOL same or better? The only difference I see between this leadership and the last is higher hopes. If those hopes materialize than you will have the right to say "I told you so". To be fair I guess we'll have to give it another year. Two... Three? If this union leadership doesn't come through are you going to be willing to start seeing the union as part of the problem?

 

[Live4flyng]

Fair enough. Let's see... as a direct result under your new leadership would you say you are happier, contented, more satisfied, than the non-union NJI/EJM? Paid as well? QOL same or better? The only difference I see between this leadership and the last is higher hopes. If those hopes materialize than you will have the right to say "I told you so". To be fair I guess we'll have to give it another year. Two... Three? If this union leadership doesn't come through are you going to be willing to start seeing the union as part of the problem?

You better hope it doesn't take three more years. At this pace, the company won't be in business.

 

[Live4flyng]

It's a sorry bunch of pilots who try to better their own positions at the cost of other pilots. They're only your brothers if they pay dues to the Teamsters local, right? Calling guys in 135 companies that are only doing their job SCABs and trying to steal what the NJI pilots have worked hard to get is beneath contempt, as is trying to intimidate the pilots at NJA into towing the union line. It's all just typical union thuggery.

Hey Junior, you have no idea what you are talking about.