Netjets Folks - What do you actually LIKE about Netjets and Your Job?

[Lord Wakefield]

I'm quite certain that the owners will side with the company in the long run. No doubt they want the best for their pilots, but even more certainly, they will balk at increased fees.
For our owners sake, this contract needs to get done ASAP before they are the LEAST bit inconvenienced.

Among those that care, I think you'll find that most think the contract was finished a few years ago.
Yes, I think they'd be naturally predisposed to side with the company. But what would they think about this taking 3 years? Don't think foot dragging is how they became successful.

I don't discuss this matter with owners unless cornered and then I only give what I can since we haven't been told what's actually going on. To wit, 1. No, we don't have a new contract yet; 2. almost 3 years; 3. I don't know; 4. I don't know; 5. I don't know. 6. No, not getting married till after the contract; 7. I'm really good at fixing up old cars and keeping mine running; 8. In an apartment near the airport with a few other pilots; 9. Oh yes, both sides are still talking-they're meeting two more times this month; 10. Oh no! I haven't heard any serious talk about that.

 

[j41driver]

I thought the original poster was looking for something good about the job....

1. you wont fly passenger legs for a loooong time even after you upgrade because the sr dawg will take it and is assigned pic
( you get to fly a good share of scabs which is loads of fun...not)
2. alot of pic and pic pairings
3. you take a cab and arrange your own transport to and from your dept point
4. you chock lock cover uncover your own ac
5. you get the catering arrange it then clean it off the seats tables and carpet
6. wait for the passengers who often put you on 2 hr slides
7. dont know what time your getting home on the last day
8. you work 17 days of the month while the other half or 1/3 works 7 on 7 off
9. one week of indoc every year
10. one week of sim and systems every 6 months
11. you will load bags while the sr dawg watches you and dont come back and tell me everyone pitches in because they dont..
12. you listen to a ton of bitching about pay and how the schedulers cut deals with the A team members
13. watch uncle warren and santulli work your union like a red headed step child while your dues get you a worthless mag once a month
14. on day one you will dead head to a fbo and sit on your ass for hours with absolutely no assignment then be told to rent a car and drive somewhere without any insurance if you bif it
15 at the end of a 14 hour day and you land in bfe alabama and your passengers leave and its you and the cpt guess what there is barely any light on your ramp and its just you and the plane with a plane full of trash so you get to be the:
ac cleaner
ramper
maint tech (shut and cover the ac)
meanwhile your partner is inside calling for a cab trying to get the worthless idiots in cmh to get you a hotel ...then he is trying to get the toothless fbo boy to find you a cab so you can get to the hotel...oh and you still have to beg to get released if youre not at 14 hours.
16. on your last day expect to sit in your hotel doing nothing and then getting airlined home wasting more time away just so some jackass in cmh can prove to you that he owns you while you are gone.




sorry guys but it sucked!

 

[hawkerpilot]

Nothing Good Here

There is nothing good about NutJets right now. Until we get a new contract, I wouldnt recommend this place to anyone.

1. Aspen and Nantucket? Who cares, you wont be able to afford to do anything there and with the number of 14 on and 10 off lately, you wont want to do anything but sleep and get ready for "fun" day.

2. Celebrities? Grow up!! They look at you like their gardner or butler and while you load their bags they give the tip to the line guy because they have been told you are a highly paid professional.

3. Pay sucks more than many commuters these days and upgrades for new hires are "at least" two or more years. How do I know? I am just short of two years and STILL on FO pay with no end in sight. Company is not negotiating in good faith and economic offers so far are nothing short of insulting. Shamtulli does not want career people here because they are more expensive in the long run than attrition.

Bright Side?

Hopefully we will have a new MEC in October that will possess some testicles. We will see......

 

[x402]

Regardless of "inconveniece" (many owners will find other ways to avoid commercial airlines , i.e. corp. owned planes, friend's planes, charters -- all which were used before fractional was invented) while NJA will probably suspend bills if service is unavailable.


I don't believe the capacity to cover our normal day to day flights is out there. Not to mention if the strike were to occur during a peak period, let's say Thanksgiving.
The fact that "owners" deal with unions in their own business doesn't mean they will jump lock step with management when the stoppage comes. I think they will ask," Who the hell has been watching out for my multi million dollar investment?" I would, I'd want to know why Netjet pilots are the lowest paid pilots in the industry, while my costs are among the highest? I'd want to know where my MMF increases have gone? And where's my interest on that money?
Suspend bills????? Not likely, I'd guess they'll offer some compensation down the road, but the life line of this operation is CASH FLOW, and they will not turn that off. They will try to provide, vendors and SCABS, to fill the flights. But don't hold your breath thinking those monthly bills will just stop until this all gets sorted out.
When it finally gets to a work stoppage, soon I hope, it will last no more than 48 hrs. RTS's phone will melt, he might have to attend a negotiation session himself to get this done. His team has done the dirty work, dragged this out for three years, he'll ride in and finally make a deal only when the owners scream. That day is very near.

Just my opinion, I might be wrong. (but I doubt it)

 

[Heavy Set]

C'mon Griz, give me one or two positives about Netjets...

A lot of interesting replies. Although most had nothing to do with the original 2 questions. I suppose venting is good for people.

Anyone have anything positive to say about their Netjets experience? C'mon Griz, there's gotta be something you like (seriously) about Netjets and flying the X?

LAST QUESTION: if Virgin America opened up its doors right now at rates lower than Jet Blue for the A320 (offered you an FO position and bases in either SFO or JFK), would you take it right now OR would you prefer to sweat it out at Netjets? Serious responses please.

 

[climbhappy]

roll the dice sir!

let's see:

senority

more money

more money

more money

handlers cleaning the planes

three FAs serving me coke and chips!

___________________

bottom line: i'll take the airline gig

 

[FrontierFan]

Now I have been reading the fractional threads for months while I was sending my stuff in. I finally got called for an interview and tried to procrastinate it as far off into the future to give the MEC more time to possibly get a TA so I can make a more informed decision about leaving where I am know for NetJets.

However..... from what I understand the word on the taxiway is that new-hires will only have those five cities to live in. So for me I would like to get in after a TA is published but before it gets voted in. My biggest worry is getting in, going on strike and being put between walking and getting fired, for being on probation, or staying and being called a scab the rest of my life.

I would really appreciate all the NetJets regulars on this board to give me their opinion on what I should do. And yes I am going to interview, no I am not interested in breaking up your deserved unity and yes I do believe that a "better" NetJets can be good long term career. "Better" meaning not having to live in 5 cities and 5th year pay being at least 85.

I welcome your comments and PMs

F9Fan

 

[FrontierFan]

I forgot to add that I went through a contract negotiation where I am now and we couldn't get a TA until after we passed a strike vote of 96%. That is why I respect everyones opions while taking them with a grain of salt. I understand that in the eleventh hour a good portion of the pilot group will be disgruntled enough to comment about how their xyz company is the worst every and no one should come work there.

If however I could understand if everyone is trying to get new hires to shy away so your MEC will have more leverage for a TA. That makes sense. Again I have wanted to come on board for a long time. But I don't want to disturb your unity in these criticle times. But if given an offer I can't accept the proposed five city issue.

Thanks Again,
F9Fan

 

[Snakeplt]

Anyone who HELPS another pilot get hired here, is NOT doing this pilot group OR that individual ANY GOOD !!! For those of you who INTERVIEWED and turned this SH*T outfit down...I applaud you. Oh, and as for NJAOwner...we REALLY and TRULY don't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** what you think because we already know how the Shamtulli's and your kind think of the "help." You enjoy spewing your input on this board for deeply personal reasons...but will never admit it. You should go play with your own kind as we really could care less about what you say or think....go use up someone elses bandwidth.

 

[FatesPawn]

So for me I would like to get in after a TA is published but before it gets voted in. My biggest worry is getting in, going on strike and being put between walking and getting fired, for being on probation, or staying and being called a scab the rest of my life.

I HIGHLY doubt you could time things that well to get hired post-TA pre-ratification. Don't try. If you don't like the way Netjets looks today under our current agreement, don't take the job. It may not change. Who knows.

Your comments about your "biggest concern" make me uneasy. You seem to alude that crossing a picket line might be one of your "choices." Before I lambaste you, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would personally never hesitate to walk the line on probation. Probation isn't even a consideration. Sure, the company may try to strongarm you and fire you, but "back to work agreements" between the union and management usually iron these things out before the strike even ends.

My last comment on probation: Don't ever let PROBATION stand in the way of doing what is right. That's VERBATIM what I said to my interviewer when she was playing the role of "bad pilot" and trying to egg me into doing something we shouldn't.

 

[hawkerpilot]

Answer to Question

NOTHING!!

And the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** seats in the X are like Coca-Cola crates so if you enjoy sitting on one of those for five+ hours, have at it!!!
Oh, and because we go so fast, all the owners love the plane so when one breaks, guess what the company sends in....lots of 14 and 10's!!

Living the dream for 28k/year.....NOT!!!!

 

[On Your Six]

Living the dream at mach .92!

Someday when you guys are flying the trunk lines for Virgin America between SFO and JFK or BOS day in and day out you will hopefully remember some of the positive aspects of your previous life at Netjets. Sure, the pain of poverty (such a god-awful low salary) will never go away, but I hope flying a great airplane and flying to some interesting destinations will be a source of good memories.... After corporate flying, airline flying would seem just too boring and routine for me (but that may change if I get a call from SWA)...

 

[SenorSpielbergo]

Living the dream at mach .92!

Someday when you guys are flying the trunk lines for Virgin America between SFO and JFK or BOS day in and day out you will hopefully remember some of the positive aspects of your previous life at Netjets. Sure, the pain of poverty (such a god-awful low salary) will never go away, but I hope flying a great airplane and flying to some interesting destinations will be a source of good memories.... After corporate flying, airline flying would seem just too boring and routine for me (but that may change if I get a call from SWA)...

A former NetJets pilot (now with an airline) wistfully remembering the glory days: "Oh, how I long for the days when I could barely pay my mortgage and could only afford to eat pan-seared garlic Cheerios. But, at least I got to fly around at .92 for 10 hrs. a day!"

 

[Nightmare67]

A lot of interesting replies. Although most had nothing to do with the original 2 questions. I suppose venting is good for people.

Anyone have anything positive to say about their Netjets experience? C'mon Griz, there's gotta be something you like (seriously) about Netjets and flying the X?

LAST QUESTION: if Virgin America opened up its doors right now at rates lower than Jet Blue for the A320 (offered you an FO position and bases in either SFO or JFK), would you take it right now OR would you prefer to sweat it out at Netjets? Serious responses please.

Let me put it this way...If Virgin called me while I was at work, I'd put my NJA ID card on my seat, leave it running and walk, no, run to the terminal, pay my own way to SFO or where ever.

Does that answer your question?

 

[hawkerpilot]

Not IF but When

Let me put it this way...If Virgin called me while I was at work, I'd put my NJA ID card on my seat, leave it running and walk, no, run to the terminal, pay my own way to SFO or where ever.

Does that answer your question?

Its no longer a matter of IF I am out of here, but WHEN. And that day cannot come any to soon. This place is a train wreck looking for the end of the line. Unfortunately Bill Boisture and his clowns have their golden parachutes ready and will never skip a beat. The rest of us will be SOL!!

They are now crying that they are so broke but I find it hard to understand how the most expensive and largest of the fractional options pays their pilots the worst and cries that they are losing money.....Give me a break!!!