NetJets Contract Status

[boxcar]

ArmyPilot:

A union contract is merely an enforcable agreement that sets out the conditions of employment. If every company had a comprehensive employee handbook that constituted a contract between the company and individual employees the unions would disappear. Unfortunately, this is rarely a practice in real life. A written contract is a given in every facet of life except employment. (Ever hear of a marriage contract?) Even in employment, executives routinely demand and receive written contracts. But, when it comes to non-executive employment, the company holds all the cards and a non-union employee without an individual contract has virtually no rights. Regardless of the enlightenment of the employer, each party needs to know precisely what is expected and what will be given in return. You have (or had) an employment contract with the Army that spelled out in great detail the terms of your employment. This is 90% of what a union contract provides an employee. You also had the right of appeal through your chain of command and to Congress. If all else failed, you could enlist the court system to ensure the contract was followed. You won't have these rights at non-union civilian firms.

 

[Lrjet55]

Boxcar

"A union contract is merely an enforcable agreement that sets out the conditions of employment. If every company had a comprehensive employee handbook that constituted a contract between the company and individual employees the unions would disappear."

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There are lots of companies with comprehensive employee handbooks. Flops, for example. Go back and read NJA Capts post for further explanation.
A union is a necessary evil. Show me any "comprehensive" employee handbook that will cover and support the upwards of 2000 pilots we have and the close to 4000 we are supposed to have.
Aahhh, Forget it.

 

[boxcar]

"You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. There are lots of companies with comprehensive employee handbooks. Flops, for example. Go back and read NJA Capts post for further explanation. "

Thanks for the tirade, but I said an ENFORCABLE employee handbook. If it's possible to draw up a union contract covering 4000 pilots, I don't see why putting similar language in a handbook would be impossible. It would, of course, require an independent third party to resolve disagreements. Without an enforcability process, management can ignore their handbook whenever they wish, while making it a firing offense for an employee to do so.

 

[FracPilot]

This thread

This thread might be funny, if it weren't so sad. It seems there are some very disgruntled people on both sides of the fence here. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

We're all doing the same job, just for different companies. If you think your job is better than the rest, GREAT! You're exactly where you should be. Why take or continue a job you don't want/like? Putting down the pilots of another company, or another company alltogether, is just what the managements of each company would like to see. If we were all good friends and could stick together, we could get much more from our respective companies. But, alas, it will never happen. I run into pilots from every company that are unhappy, and pilots from every company that think theirs is the best and all the rest suck.

I really couldn't care less what somebody thinks of me or the company I work for. I am happy where I am, and feel it's the best place for me, all things considered. I hope most of the fractional pilots feel the same way.

 

[boxcar]

FracPilot, you're right, it is kinda funny. However, there's really not that much disagreement between the posters. The main disagereement came from a person who's likely still wet behind the ears at NJA. I suspect even he wouldn't be so vocal if he comprehended the post he objected to.

 

[Falcon4.0]

outside looking in......

Let me just say from the perspective of someone who desperately wants to fly for NJA...
I would GLADLY work under the existing situation, will welcome the new contract when it becomes effective and would be of the mindset-"I'm very fortunate to be making decent money for doing something I enjoy". While I realize this is oversimplification, I'll bet there are hundreds of pilots just like me who want to come work for NJA, FO, Flex-Jet,etc. regardless of the current situation. I hope those of you who have been fortunate enough to be hired by these companies stop and count your blessings. As for me, I'll continue to try to get someone to "hand deliver" my resume' as that seems to be the only way to get an interview. Good luck to you all and let's remember: truly professional pilots make up a small fraternity-we should be ever-supportive of each other.
By the way...anyone who is so moved by my words of inspiration that they'd like to help in my quest to join the frational brotherhood can PM me at their convenience...(only half-kidding).