Netjets Casino employees

[FamilyGuy]

I'll explain it again. We might have been fat for a very short time. It was so short that it wasn't worth it to furlough because they would have to retrain and repay. Not going to happen plus the PR is horrible.

Nice try at the revisionist history Diesel. Go ahead and believe your conspiracy theories if it makes you feel better, but dont fool yourself into believing that it will hold up at the bargaining table. Your group will do much better if they stick to the facts rather than resort to destructive attacks on Mr. Santulli and the company.

Family guy are you even a pilot here? Are you even a pilot?

Hey I do enjoy all the non pilots, and 500hr wonders working up in the casino that thinks they can do what we do. Ha. When they get 2500hrs they will realize that it's not all about flying a jet. It's about providing for your family.

So keep posting on this board. Accept the fact your opinion doesn't mean shizzle. Poke at the teamsters all you want which is fine. I pay my dues to make the company play by the rules which we call a contract.

I've never claimed to be a pilot. I'm just another long term casino employee that has tired of listening to you b!tch and moan about the company. I didnt start posting on this board until you and your fellow pilots started this thread aimed at us casino employees. If our opinion doesnt mean shizzle then why do you start threads aimed at us? Why do you hand out union propaganda to us at company meetings?

I find it hilarious that you union guys try and use us in your negotiations with management and then get all indignant when we see through your half-truths and outright lies that you're spreading on this board.

This is a public board....if you dont like the feedback when we call you on your BS, then go back to your private union board. We dont want to listen to your whining anymore.

 

[Diesel]

Man if you don't think the company is doing the same thing to you. Wellll.... Just look at frontpage.

the union is just trying to explain our position. It's called hearing both sides.

Not that you would want to do that though.

 

[Some Dude]

Fred if it is true you work in fort fumble then YOU have nothing to worry about. BB and RTS PROMISED you that non of the non bargaining employees will be laid off if we strike. Don't you have trust in their statements?

The fact is our OWNERS are pissed. NOT at the flight crews but at the CLUELESS FOOLS in management at NJA. The owners tell us everyday that they are TRIED OF HEARING LIES AND BROKEN PROMISES FROM COLUMBUS. I had a new owner the other day that said he was asking for his money back because he had not flown on a QS tail number the first six trips he had booked with us.
WTF, I have owner services lying to our people everyday. Marquis from a owner perspective has been a disaster. The owners are pissed that their aircraft are being chartered and they don't get squat for it. We have owners getting downgraded and chartered out so some Marquis trip can be flown instead.

We don't have enough flight crews or planes. Did you know that the company didn't even meet the new 91k deadline. They had two freaking years to meet it. NJA even spearheaded the whole 91k committee yet the fools in management couldn't even meet the deadline. Two freaking years. If I'm 15 minutes late I get a page from some stooge in CMH that doesn't know WTF is going on anyway. "Gee dumbass get off the freaking internet in CMH...look up on those big TV screens above your head and see the weather channel picture showing level 5 t-storms and the freaking airport is closed."

So, you have nothing to worry about. Keep reading the BS on the crewops website, or trying to screw some chick ya work with. Myself and all the other crew members will pick up the slack and get the job done.

It's no real mystery why the flight crews ALWAYS have the HIGHEST satisfaction rating from the owners in every survey. I truely hope that fort fumble gets it act together. Getting rid of some of the 60 plus vice-presidents would be a good start.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Man if you don't think the company is doing the same thing to you. Wellll.... Just look at frontpage.

the union is just trying to explain our position. It's called hearing both sides.

Not that you would want to do that though.

Diesel - I respect the negotiation process and understand the desire of both parties to explain their side. I appreciate being kept informed as this is very important to myself and everyone else here in the flight center. If you'll check my previous posts then you'll see that I agree that the pilots are important to the company's success and should be rewarded for their hard work.

If the union wants to explain its side, then fine, do that, but stick to the facts and dont introduce baseless allegations, emotion, and attacks on the company, its leaders, or fellow employees. That only serves to erode any support people may have for your cause.

What I do not respect is the derogatory comments that many union members have made about Mr. Santulli, management, and the company. The union has been here for over 30 years and I've never seen it as confrontational and negative as it is now.

I'm very concerned that the union has taken an extremely negative, caustic, and derogatory approach in its negotiations with managment and I dont think these tactics will help you. Would you want to compromise and give things to a group that is personally attacking you and trying to humiliate you in public?

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.

In the end, I'm afraid that all of these vicious attacks on Mr. Santulli, the managers, the company, and even us casino employees will cause injuries to our working relationships that will never heal. The company will never be able to get back to the great place it used to be to work.

Do I believe everything the company says? No.

Is the company perfect? No, but show me one that is. They all have warts, but NJ is better than 95% and I dont care to see anyone (pilots or non-pilots) complaining about what is a very good company. There are a lot of things we still need to work on....particularly on the people side (anyone else notice that HR took away jeans and then took credit for bringing them back?) but most of the time its stupid little stuff that doesnt really matter. The company does a really good job with the big things and that's what I care about (no layoff policy, benefits package, taking care of employees during personal crisis, etc).

 

[Diesel]

You think the company is just sticking to the facts. Ask them to explain how 106k at year 5 was such a good deal? Oh yeah we lose all benefits. yada yada yada. That's sticking to the facts.

The company dragging it's feet is what made this situation confrontational. You can blame the union all you want but it takes two to tango

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public.

If only compliments paid the bills. It doesn't. You don't get the same memos the pilots do. the pilots maintain a 95 percent customer satisfaction every day. Upstairs knows that without us there is no netjets and no netjets experience.

Oh my god you're biggest worry is jeans at the workplace? Dude just remember Friday is Hawaiian shirt day.

 

[Hogprint]

I'm very concerned that the union has taken an extremely negative, caustic, and derogatory approach in its negotiations with managment and I dont think these tactics will help you. Would you want to compromise and give things to a group that is personally attacking you and trying to humiliate you in public?

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.





What appraoch would you like us to take? We tried the touchy feely approach for the better part of three years with the former MEC. We gave the company relief on EVERTHING and I mean everthing they asked for.

What did that get us?

Come on gents...read between the lines. This is negotiations...

 

[Hogprint]

Sorry FamilyGuy----This was your quote above

I screwed up the quote/reply....


BTW....can anyone give me the gouge on how I can just quote a few sentences and not the whole dang paragraph????????

 

[Starman]

Quote the whole thing and then just delete out the part you don't need.

 

[FAcFriend]

You think the company is just sticking to the facts. Ask them to explain how 106k at year 5 was such a good deal?

I think the estimate for benefits is 15k per person. Which means this offer is about 91k at year five per person with benefits.

What do you make now at year five?

 

[Hogprint]

Thanks Starman,


I did that but it did not quote the author in the box like some of the posts above.