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[xpdriver]

Thanks for the replies....My reason for writing that letter was to tell that pilot to apply to NJA.. It will be and i think might already be the best aviation job out there...But know what the life style is before you take the job..I get sick and tired of flying with guys that bitch the entire week about the job...You have to throw bags,sometimes you have to get up at 330am..Your schedule changes ALL THE TIME..although the contract is not done,know that you might have to move. Don't listen to that one guy that says either i always get up early or the guy that says i never go out before 9am, because they are both full of [email protected] to as many people as you can aboout any job and decide for your family.. The guys that have the most problem at NJA usually bring it on there selfs..I have been here over 4 years, i don't let them push me but i do my job then i go home..The guys that bitch about every little thing usually have the most problems.Just my thoughts...STANDING BY FOR THE C...

 

[niteflyr]

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Glad to see everyone blaming everything that is supposedly in the next contract on the MEC. I guess that will mean all of you are getting your names on the next ballot to see just how much power they have in all this. There are rules and there is the big "bargaining in good faith" they have to contend with. They don't get to name thier price and get it. No one ever has and we will not be the first. Delta didn't start operations all those years ago by offering to pay the pilots 300K+ overnight. It takes a series of contracts, each one improving on the other. The benefits and scheduling improvements TA'd are already huge. Guys forget that 50% of the pilots are still on the worthless 17day schedule instead of 7 on 7 off.


As for the Richest owning, wrong. I fly them every tour and they are not owning, and they are glad to tell us all about how much better owning a "Fraction" is than owning outright. I guess the richest does own - Bill Gates. But what about Mr. Buffet?? True, the famous did and many still do fly charters, and could care less.

Back to the original reason for this thread, I am a 2.5 year Netjetter and I too love the job. I have had many jobs in aviation and this is by far the best. YES, I would like to make lots of money and get rich but that will never happen for anyone working for someone else no matter how big of check you get. It is all in what you do with your money. Many pilots have spent the raise and retro already and that is why this is such an emotional issue for them because they NEED that $$$ now. Just know up front, you are not going to come to Netjets and fly in and out of major hubs all day and RON at one of them. You don't know where you are going, if you will be done when you get there, or sometimes if you will even get there before being re-routed. Works for me, any flight I get to LAX or ORD etc. is the low point of my tour now, you can have them and their Airport Hiltons. Any questions you have about the job just PM me if you want to avoid all the other "info" you have been getting.

 

[Groucho]

What limits are there on a strike

I have been watching the NetJets developments for quite some time and as a former Corporate guy, now airline
what rules are there on a strike situaition? These negotiations have been going on for ever
and no real progress seems to be made.

What limits the pilots right to strike. Obviously the railway labor act doesn't apply, Netjets is not a certificated 121 or 135 carrier.

Is it the unity or lack of it in the Union or some other aspect of the current agreement the prevents a
a job action or the threat of one.

It seems to me that you guys are in the catbird's seat as far as leverage goes. They can't replace that many pilots for that fleet mix quickly, not enough training capacity exists.

But hey, I could be wrong; I was once,... I think.
"A man is only as old as the woman he feels" Groucho

 

[LR45JI]

What limits the pilots right to strike. Obviously the railway labor act doesn't apply, Netjets is not a certificated 121 or 135 carrier.

Is it the unity or lack of it in the Union or some other aspect of the current agreement the prevents a
a job action or the threat of one.

It seems to me that you guys are in the catbird's seat as far as leverage goes. They can't replace that many pilots for that fleet mix quickly, not enough training capacity exists.

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels" Groucho

Groucho,



Actually we are governed by the RLA. NJA is a HUGE 135 operator (all Marquis flights are 135 and Marquis sales grew by 300% last year alone). I have been trying to gauge the unity here for a while and jury is still out. Everyone says they are "On Board" but when the water starts filling the boat I think a lot of guys will become "Off Board" real quick. It's easy to say...."I will Strike"....much more difficult to actually follow through. Personally, I have never Struck and I really don't want to. Anyone who says they "want to strike" needs to examine their head - sometimes it's necessary but does anyone really WANT to strike? I hope not.



I agree. We have the leverage. I have said for a while: The union has the power and the company has had control of these negotiations. I think that is starting to change in favor of the union. I think we will soon have the power and control. The question is: Will out current MEC utilize it? I doubt it and that's unfortunate.

 

[FLYLOW22]

you fly the richest? nah...the richest own, they dont quarter share. rich is relative and as you are learning - the richer they are the cheaper they are.

Actually, no... we do fly the richest. Not all of them but we do fly for Bill Gates (the richest) and the next runner up is Uncle Warren (who oversees Berk Hath that owns NJA). So.... Ummmmm.... Sorry bud. We do fly the richest.

The richest didn't get rich by wasting money. For many, fractional ownership has proven to be MUCH more cost/time effective. Others who are resisting buying in either have a real need for their own aircraft or are just stubborn.

 

[FLYLOW22]

There are people that think that they deserve 200000 at year 5.

No one has said that figure except you.

That would be nice but no matter how much NJA makes,they are not going to come of that kind of cash.

Ummm. That's for the MEC to determine based on financial data. Then it's up to all of us to vote... not guess. They hav tha cash dude. Are you willing to get it is the question...

Look at united, they were going under before 9/11...

United management has sucked for years. No surprise there. UAL is a COMPLETELY different animal whose revenue source is MARKEDLY different than NJA. Good management rarely finds it's way to airlines. There is just more money at other types of companies. We make money if the plane is shut off and parked. UAL is losing money with full plane loads. I don't see the comparison.

You will see 100000ish at year 5. and a nice raise every year after that.

Maybe in the first T/A. The second will be higher. Then the third. Then the fourth... Till they get it right.

This beats any regional out there.

Wow. Setting your sights soooooo high aren't you?

And just remember we get to doi this again in 4 or so years. This is not the last contract ever.

THE FIRST THING YOU'VE SAID THAT I AGREE WITH!!!

I believe 100000ish or more is what a 5 year should make...

Loooooooow ball.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

justifying your pay by saying its better than any regional out there (?)

way to aim high guys!!



and please, I hope everyone does not have the attitude that "uh...maybe NEXT contract.."

what happened to all the picket signs and parked citations y'all were talking about??

 

[FLYLOW22]

what happened to all the picket signs and parked citations y'all were talking about??

Stay tuned True Believer.... stay tuned....

 

[niteflyr]

"what happened to all the picket signs and parked citations y'all were talking about??"

Can you say RLA...RLA....RLA...RLA...Not gonna happen.


"and please, I hope everyone does not have the attitude that "uh...maybe NEXT contract.."

The TA'd sections are already miles ahead of the current contract, with a reasonable pay raise it would be dumb to vote it down rather than take the money and bennies now and work on the next one. Otherwise we end up with the current pathetic contract for another 3 years of negotiating mediating. I only wish we would have had something to start with 3+ years ago while they worked on the 3rd contract for the last 3 years instead of staying under the current contract the whole time.