Net Jet Training

[flyin4jsus]

I was inquiring how the training is at NetJets. I know you guys use Flight Safety. Are all the Instructors Flight Safety employed or does NetJets have their own Instructors at the centers? Do you guys have an AQP program like some of the majors? Thanks for the info.

 

[captain dad]

Well Uncle Warren owns FSI so it is kind of in house but no we don't have our own instructors.

FOs get their type during initial and then do a checkride in six months and then STEP training the next six months. So it is a check then training on an alternating six month cycle. Captains will be doing the same soon.

 

[flyin4jsus]

Thanks for the reply Captain Dad! If you don't mind me asking how is the moral there. Are most guys and gals great to fly with?

 

[fischman]

I am AWESOME to fly with. Ask my mom, she'll tell you.

Good moral here. Good contract. Company treats us well

 

[ExecJetCA]

NetJets does a great job, but FSI well lets say that they are less then desirable. To bad Uncle Warren owns them, we should dump them and train our own.

 

[fischman]

I think the instructors at FSI do as good as they can. The problem I find is that FSI can't keep their instructors long. EVERY time I go there is a new guy I have to work with.

If there is a high turnover rate, that usually implies too low of pay. Put that on top of a crappy schedule it is hard to keep good people.

 

[Ultra Grump]

If you don't mind me asking how is the moral there.

Morals are pretty low (pilots, you know). Morale, on the other hand, is very high. The moral of the story is, dictionaries are your friend.

 

[captain dad]

Morale is very good here especially when compared to the airlines. Most people are great. There are very few tools. If you read other NetJets posts via the search function, you will see. You won't have to go far to find the dinks.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I think the instructors at FSI do as good as they can. The problem I find is that FSI can't keep their instructors long. EVERY time I go there is a new guy I have to work with.

One ongoing problem with FSI is that they still aren't training to our SOP's. When I work with new-hires or pilots transititioning, it's usually one of their first criticisms of FSI. Supposedly that is going to be addressed but we'll just have to see how quickly that happens.

Retention, like you said, tends to be a problem for them.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

Morals are pretty low (pilots, you know). Morale, on the other hand, is very high. The moral of the story is, dictionaries are your friend.

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

I ship off to X training on May 4th. I have to say that at the interview they made it sound like NJ and FSI were well integrated and that FSI did a good job of teaching NJ SOPs. I am disappointed to hear that this is not entirely true. My company has been training at Simuflite for several years. Great facility, great instructors. One of my sim instructors was actually a NJ Hawker CA doing side work. I have been to FSI too and I much prefer Simuflite's facilities, sims, and instructors. Uncle Warren bought the wrong company!!

 

[JungleJett]

I ship off to X training on May 4th. I have to say that at the interview they made it sound like NJ and FSI were well integrated and that FSI did a good job of teaching NJ SOPs. I am disappointed to hear that this is not entirely true. My company has been training at Simuflite for several years. Great facility, great instructors. One of my sim instructors was actually a NJ Hawker CA doing side work. I have been to FSI too and I much prefer Simuflite's facilities, sims, and instructors. Uncle Warren bought the wrong company!!

Maybe on day one of Indoc you can tell NJA to pass the message along to Warren. They would love that!

I just left FSI training and there were some issues that are being addressed BUT the sim work was done per NJA SOP. I would expect that if a NJA pilot feels they are NOT being trained per SOP, then it is up to them to step up and say something.

By the way...all the folks at FSI that I dealt with were wonderful and any issues that did pop up, were addressed quickly.

With the future changes coming at the uber campus in CMH, I think it WILL be am even more impressive operation.

 

[fischman]

I agree 100%.

The people at FSI will give you a FAST reaction to any suggestion or complaint you might have. They take them seriously. If you like to have a certain doughnut for breakfast and you don't see it, it will be there the next morning.

 

[gunfyter]

I do not see turnover @ CMH FSI in the X or the Falcon. I see mostly the same IPs I have seen for years.

Perhaps these issues are @ centers away from CMH.

Also NJ does things differently than the rest of the flying world. One example is the airwork -- stalls and turns. And we have changed it abut 4 times since I been here.

And we have a boatload of other training that no one else does in the sim.

 

[RideandDrive]

My last instructor at FSI was a former Republic E170 f/o. He had 0 time in type. The other more experienced instructor had 5 hours in type.

Plus you'll be dealing with some fragile egos from the red tie crowd.

The training just is not as good as the airline programs I've attended in the past.

 

[realityman]

I can tell you that the FSI instructors at CMH who teach the X are great! And most of them have been there a long time. A few new names, yes, but generally pretty consistent.

The training I receive is very good. The problem isn't FSI. It's NJA. It seems every few months NJA throws some change in SOP's, or procedures, or checklists, or training curriculum at FSI and the transition is always a bit turbulent. Admittedly, some of the changes have been mandated by the feds, and we have no choice except to comply. But sheesh! How many different ways to do steep turns are we going to be required to learn? Why do them at all? If you've gotten this far and can't manage a proper steep turn, how the heck did you get past the interview process?!

I agree that once our new campus is built, and we have a bit more control over FSI there, things should run smoother. But it's really not so bad now.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

The problem I find is that FSI can't keep their instructors long. EVERY time I go there is a new guy I have to work with.

At least FSI gives you the same instructor for a given training event. CAE SimuFlite in the big D gave me a new instructor every day in the sim.

[/threadjack]

I have yet to hear of a single complaint from a NJA guy/gal I've personally met. FI doesn't count.

 

[gunfyter]

. The problem isn't FSI. It's NJA.

DITTO. But it seems better with the increased involvement of the UTC.

Just look at the improvements in the line checks. We went from full blown checkrides with stalls and turns to normal observation rides.

 

[niteflyr]

The only Instructors I ever saw leaving CMH FSI were the ones NJA pilots had issues with and they were asked to leave. (fired)

 

[netjetwife]

Morals are pretty low (pilots, you know). Morale, on the other hand, is very high. The moral of the story is, dictionaries are your friend.

Like minds think alike, Grumpy... Spell-checker is a big help but doesn't note misused words. Proofread before submitting is my motto.

I agree that morale is high, and would like to add that 1108's reputation regarding morals is much higher than IBT's. If you don't like having a stigma attached to your name....give 'em the boot NJASAP style. Answer the call for independence by sending in your card.