Net Jet Mins

[Avro dude]

Currently a soon to be furloughed XJ pilot short of the 2500 TT (500). Any chance of getting on or are they pretty firm.

Also, I live in DTW. Anyone know what the drive is like to CMH.

 

[loverobot]

Flexible as a steel beam on the mins. Have a friend try to get around it, no way, no how.

Good luck

 

[81Horse]

Also, I live in DTW. Anyone know what the drive is like to CMH.

About 3 1/2 hours -- or more.

 

[CA1900]

Currently a soon to be furloughed XJ pilot short of the 2500 TT (500). Any chance of getting on or are they pretty firm.

I just got my application in the mail a couple of days ago. It included a few pages of information, including this:

All potential pilot applicants should meet certain minimum requirements when submitting resumes or applications. These are hard and fast minimums. Resumes and applications received missing reference to one or more of the following requirements will not be processed:

[and then the same list of qualifications as on their pilot hiring web page]


So the short answer is no, I don't think they'll bend the minimums.

 

[j31flyer]

I am sure this place is like trying to go to FedEx right now. Everyone wants it because the QOL and $$ is so good. Of course the company knows this and they stick to mins to weed everyone else out. I wonder how many times the NJA server has been shut down due to the overload of resumes on file now. I have my interview next month. Good luck to everyone!!

 

[realityman]

Sorry, they are VERY firm on the mins. It's easy for them because of all the out of work airline guys (and gals) out there. I could be wrong, but I believe the average new hire has over 5000 TT. I just did IOE training with a retired Delta guy. Super nice guy, and way more than 2500 TT.

 

[tk855]

I have seen NJA stand firm on all of the mins except the instrument time. I know of a couple people below the 250 hrs of instrument time. That is the only minimum I have seen them reduce.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I could be wrong, but I believe the average new hire has over 5000 TT.

I would say your right. The market is so saturated with 5000+ hour pilots looking for work, NetJets could raise the mins and still have plenty of "qualified" applicants.

Im sorry, but I came through the ranks in the late 80's-90's, you couldnt fly freight in a beatup Baron with less than 2000 hours multi engine time in 1989. I have little sympathy for 25 year old flight instructors looking for a way into NetJets with an ATP and 2500 hours in a Seminole.

But times change, and so does the flying business!

 

[DO-82 driver]

Yeah......but there's still something to be said about flying beat up planes in all kind of wx. Or flying tree top looking for fires in the back woods with no radar coverage. These lesson can't be learned at a fancy flight school.

If I had a say in the matter I'd add a minimum of 300 hours tailwheel (or skiis/floats) and 500 hrs PT-6 or Garrrett engine time to the NJA hiring minimums.

 

[B +]

Yeah......but there's still something to be said about flying beat up planes in all kind of wx. Or flying tree top looking for fires in the back woods with no radar coverage. These lesson can't be learned at a fancy flight school.

If I had a say in the matter I'd add a minimum of 300 hours tailwheel (or skiis/floats) and 500 hrs PT-6 or Garrrett engine time to the NJA hiring minimums.

Not to dis that type of flying but frankly that is not the skills that NetJets wants to be sure you have. I don't think NJ flys many tailwheels and they don't fly treetops looking for fires either.

They want to know you can stay ahead of fast airplane flying complex arrivals and departures. They want to see that you have some experience with multi pilot cockpits and have learned some CRM skills.

The best brush pilot in the world may not do well at all in this completely different environment.

Once you have shown you have enough of the right flying experience they still want to evalute you on your people skills. A super sharp top notch jet pilot that ticks off owners on a regular basis is not what they need or want either.

 

[CapnVegetto]

The minimums are hard and fast because they are in the owner contracts. "Pilots will have at least X amount of total time, X amount of multi-engine time, etc." They can't hire anyone that doesn't meet the minimums for that specific reason.....it'd violate the owner contracts.

 

[DO-82 driver]

B+, I certainly agree that the "swaggering, tobacco chewing" bush pilot is not the image NetJets wishes to project. However, there have been many instances where I found myself landing or taking off from a small, uncontrolled strip where a careful observation of the water surface, swaying wheat stalks ect ect..... were all apart of my decision making process. You don't pick that stuff up from a book.

Icing is another major learning event too...especially in a Baron or 402. Now, granted, NetJets doesn't fly those things but the lessons learned from flying in icing in such small planes will remain a valuable part of any persons experiences which will be drawn upon for the rest of their life.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

The best brush pilot in the world may not do well at all in this completely different environment.

I think you mean BUSH pilot. Either way I've seen it done a few times over here at NJA and consider them amoungst the best and on rare occasion the worst as well. I'll always gladly fly with those who were both smart and safe enough to survive some of the most challenging flying in the world long enough to make it here to NJA.

 

[B +]

I think you mean BUSH pilot. Either way I've seen it done a few times over here at NJA and consider them amoungst the best and on rare occasion the worst as well. I'll always gladly fly with those who were both smart and safe enough to survive some of the most challenging flying in the world long enough to make it here to NJA.

Yep that would be bush pilot alright.

Hey your avatar makes me like nervous. Kinda like I'm being watched or sumthin n stuff.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

The minimums are hard and fast because they are in the owner contracts. "Pilots will have at least X amount of total time, X amount of multi-engine time, etc." They can't hire anyone that doesn't meet the minimums for that specific reason.....it'd violate the owner contracts.

Yeah...and Martha Stewart would have a crap-fit....that law-abiding model of womanhood!

 

[Diesel]

The best brush pilot in the world may not do well at all in this completely different environment.

I carried a lot of my float flying and bush flying experience to nj especially in the Ultra. We go into a lot of strips where watching the surroundings that gave you any idea of what was going on. Plus the experience of getting the job done if your stuck in the middle of nowhere. ie Pumping fuel yourself at some self serv station in middle of nowhere texas and running the credit card to get 200 more gallons of fuel. Took a while and a lot of receipts.

Another huge experience that i carry over here is my winter ops from our little bush town. Operating in -40 degrees was normal for us and i'm able to take that knowledge to nj. Especially when NJ sends you to chibougamou canada and you're trying to make sure that your one shot at starting the engine actually starts the plane.

I just wish i could still cary my leatherman.

 

[Deftone45075]

Im sorry, but I came through the ranks in the late 80's-90's, you couldnt fly freight in a beatup Baron with less than 2000 hours multi engine time in 1989. I have little sympathy for 25 year old flight instructors looking for a way into NetJets with an ATP and 2500 hours in a Seminole.

I don't reckon anyone is awaiting your cry of empathy.

Besides, I know 2500 hour pilots with higher quality experience and more competency than some 5,000 hour pilots.

 

[Twotter76]

Ohh no I flew the bush and now i'm at NJA. Am I screwed too? Why didnt they tell me this ahead of time? They are not going to fire me if they find out are they, im still a probie! I dont suppose that I learned any useful skills that might apply to NJA while I was out there either.

 

[81Horse]

I dont suppose that I learned any useful skills that might apply to NJA while I was out there either.

Can you skin griz'?

 

[Twotter76]

Yeah but he might complain about it. Besides we all benefit from having him in his current position instead of a rug on the floor.