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[cmrflyer]

NEDoosh, are you for real? The ALPA president signs contracts as a formality. He NEVER intervenes in a contract, unless of course National takes control of an MEC. That has happened exactly once.

Really? Tell that to Dwayne worth. He was pretty hardcore in telling regional pilots to sign off on contracts. Alpa also can decide not to sign off on a contact.
The only way to stop outsourcing of mainline jobs is to make the regional level uneconomic.
When comair signed their contract in 2001 the senior guys were going to be paid $136 an hr to fly a 70 seater. That pay level made the rj very unattractive to mainline. Thus keeping more jobs flying an md80.
The purpose of a union is to keep high paying jobs. Alpa purpose is to collect dues, they don't care where they come from, or how they get them, they just want dues.
When regional pay is at the same level as mainline pay you will stop seeing rjs.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Again, ALPA National can only recommend contracts. They can't force anyone to do anything.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

 

[Chairman]

Again, ALPA National can only recommend contracts. They can't force anyone to do anything.

You're entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

Pretty sure a regional voted in a contract and ALPA Pres would not sign off on it.......I am sure by morning someone will fill in the details and you will be wrong again.....

 

[Fubijaakr]

Which would make NEDoosh wrong, not me. I said ALPA president's signature is just a formality. Doosh thinks ALPA FORCES MECs to take contracts.

What a maroon.

 

[Lake Alice]

It's "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son."

Get it right, sheese....

Hey Lake Alice, you a Gator? If so, clever handle!

Drank at the porpoise and lived in the ghetto. You?

 

[airgator]

Ah the Porpoise, used to live right behind it in the ghetto myself. If only I had a time machine...

 

[Mud]

The original CJs was my spot...and Joes Delhi!

 

[Lake Alice]

worked at both as a matter of fact.

 

[BEfly]

I knew this wasn't 7 pages of VX info. Good ol flightinfo.

 

[NEDude]

Which would make NEDoosh wrong, not me. I said ALPA president's signature is just a formality. Doosh thinks ALPA FORCES MECs to take contracts.

What a maroon.

Nope, never said the president forces MECs to take contracts. Need to go back to school to learn reading comprehension.

What I have said is that ALPA finds it acceptable to give up scope protections and pay regional pilots poverty level wages to replace mainline jobs.

The fact that your union endorses those types of contracts, and the ultimate effects on the profession, means it has no credibility when preaching about raising the bar.

If you have not been able to figure that out, you have no hope of making things better.

Of course you are someone who has the vocabulary of a third grader, so I can't except the comprehension level to be much better.

 

[NEDude]

Seriously, NEDoosh...Do you even have clue how ALPA contracts are negotiated. Obviously not, since you repeat the same hogwash.

So what you are saying, and obviously not realizing, is that ALPA national is completely ineffective at raising the bar and powerless to prevent individual MECs from lowering it. Not a great selling point my friend. Perhaps you need to work on your sales pitch.

And thanks for throwing the "NEDoosh" in there, glad to see you brain is still incapable thinking up new ideas.

 

[Lake Alice]

ALPA nationals stance is to support each individual MEC to attain a contract that the pilot group wants. No outside agenda as evident in the latest contracts with FedEx, DAL and Alaska. Each MEC negotiated different contractual events important to their respective pilot group. The days of +1% are over and this is good for the industry and the pilot groups.

 

[tzskipper]

This has been an interesting thread (in a weird kind of way....). I agree with Lake Alice's opinion;

"ALPA nationals stance is to support each individual MEC to attain a contract that the pilot group wants. No outside agenda as evident in the latest contracts with FedEx, DAL and Alaska. Each MEC negotiated different contractual events important to their respective pilot group. The days of +1% are over and this is good for the industry and the pilot groups."

However, it does raise a question; if negotiations and contracts are driven by the individual pilot group "wants" (not to mention the economic "realities" of the airline that the Mediator has to consider in his efforts), is there truly a "bar" that is set that all groups should strive for? It seems contradictory to say that both cases can coincide.

S

 

[NEDude]

Exactly right. NEDoosh hates ALPA so badly, he refuses to acknowledge this simple fact.

That's why he's at VX...he thinks Daddy Sir Dick will take care of him because he's a "good soldier" who won't question whatever pay/benefit the big Dick decides is adequate for him.

That is the ultimate expression of weakness, in my opinion...the unwillingness to stand up for yourself as a unified group.

Its me, me, me that guys like the NEDoosh are all about.

Don't hate ALPA, just mindless fools like yourself who thinks ALPA "will take care of him because he's a 'good soldier' who won't question" any of the failings of the union.

You yourself have argued that ALPA is weak and not unified which mean ALPA itself is guilty of "the ultimate expression of weakness, in my opinion...the unwillingness to stand up for yourself as a unified group."

Seriously, your sales pitch needs a lot of work. Your "Join a weak and ineffective ALPA or you are scum and I will deny you the jumpseat" tactic is just not the least bit effective.

Oh, and thanks for the "NEDoosh" glad you are showing the quality of your Language major in college, I am sure they have you on their list of distinguished alumni.

 

[xjhawk]

how does this always get highjacked by haters? I mean if you do not want to go to Virgin and give the company a chance-why not just mind your own business?

I know a few things about reality. There are a lot of good things about this company. Every person I have ever heard talk about any Virgin branded company they have never had a bad word to say about their work experience. A lot of you talk about pay and risk. Who are you to talk about pay unless you are FedEx or Southwest? I mean come on! And unless you are hiring you have even less to bash about. I for one am at a regional and would like the opportunity to go to Virgin. Better pay, better culture, and in my mind, less risk. I like the idea of a good business model, instead of one where Daddy rebids your flying. Or the fact that the regional I work for has 140 + crj's that Delta does not want and by 2017 they will most likely be gone or be at Gojets.