Near Miss at LAX? True or False?

[Hugh Jorgan]

LAX Tower was at fault. This is now a NTSB investigation.

The way I understand it, the latter is for determining the former, no?

 

[vetteracer]

QUOTE

No visuals=no TV news story.

No deaths, lawsuits or alleged "right-wing conspiracy"=no newspaper story.

Perfect analogy

 

[TR4A]

The way I understand it, the latter is for determining the former, no?

LAX ATC has admitted responsibility for the error which took place during a shift change.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

LAX ATC has admitted responsibility for the error which took place during a shift change.

I'd be interested to read about that. Any links to a source?

 

[TR4A]

I'd be interested to read about that. Any links to a source?

Our Union says that it is an active NTSB Investigation. It may show up at the NTSB web site some day.

 

[Metro752]

maybe another one of those communication barrier things. Those Asian airlines are known for smashing good 747s.

 

[chperplt]

LAX Tower was at fault. This is now a NTSB investigation.

Why would the NTSB investigate this?

The NTSB investigates accidents while the FAA investigates incidents. IF this really happened, the FAA would be running the show.

 

[TR4A]

The NTSB investigates accidents while the FAA investigates incidents. IF this really happened, the FAA would be running the show.

Do you want the FAA investigating itself?

 

[Russ]

The NTSB often delegates investigation responsibility to the FAA. As an example, non fatal accidents while under the purview of the NTSB are investigated by the FAA. As far as ATC, the NTSB has a section in its headquarters that is used for investigating ATC involvement in accidents and incidents. My old boss in the military went there. It is staffed almost exclusively by retired/former controllers.
Every once in a while you will see openings for this division advertised on the NTSB site under the career opportunities link.

 

[flx757]

Why would the NTSB investigate this?

The NTSB investigates accidents while the FAA investigates incidents. IF this really happened, the FAA would be running the show.

One reason and one reason only (according to my former NTSB investigator wife). Political pressure. If the powers that be from above feel this is a "high visibility" incident, or the facility has had problems in the past (i.e. US Air/Skywest), then the NTSB will investigate it as an incident.

And yes, the NTSB does investigate incidents. Just a cursory look at the monthly lists on their website reveals many occurances that are classified as "incidents".
Here's a recent one, for example:

http://www2.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20040719X01004&key=1

 

[Cathay747400]

Asian airlines

Um, all Asian airlines are NOT created equal. CX does not "smash" aircraft.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Um, all Asian airlines are NOT created equal. CX does not "smash" aircraft.

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/airline_detail.cgi?airline=Cathay+Pacific+Airways

Okay, it's a pretty good record, but Confucious still say, "He who live in glass house..."

And a donut without a hole....is a danish.

 

[Cathay747400]

Idiot!

The aircraft crashed while flying from Singapore Changi Airport to Hong Kong after the in-flight detonation of a bomb. The suspect was found not guilty due to lack of sufficient evidence. (CV880)

The aircraft crashed into the sea after being shot down by Chinese Military aircraft.
(DC4)

Maybe you should read what it says first idiot beofre you post crap about our company. What an ASS!

 

[CitationLover]

just a technical point.....but a "near-miss" would indicate the two aircraft hit each other. shouldn't it be a near-hit? (thanks mr. carlin for the laughs)

 

[flx757]

Mr. Carlin also liked to talk about "final destinations". Aren't all destinations final?