Nbaa Website.... Reply To A Job Posting

[Flying Illini]

It seems Semperfido has changed his mind on the subject and has gone back through and "edited" all of his posts. If you have been pursuaded to change your mind, admit it, it's OK. Don't go back and make it seem like you were on the other side of the fence all along.

AA717, I guess I'd better bust out the ol' school girl outfit. Any tips on how to really make my cleavage "pop?" I'd like to be able to hold the check for my half of my type without using my hands if you know what I mean.

IOW, the frailty of anyone's retirement is irrelevent to this discussion.

Exactly.

 

[AA717driver]

AA717, I guess I'd better bust out the ol' school girl outfit. Any tips on how to really make my cleavage "pop?" I'd like to be able to hold the check for my half of my type without using my hands if you know what I mean.

Oh, man, that schoolgirl schtick does the trick! Well, so to speak...

If you want better cleavage, try putting on 40 lbs. and turning 50. Works big time! TC

 

[semperfido]

no I haven't changed my mind. however, i did reconsider how i may have said something. is that a crime?. i am a free market guy. i have never paid for a type rating. it doesn't mean i wouldn't though. there is no level playing field. and union mentality won't help you. the guy in question is being competitive and given his probable age he is using tools at his disposal.

 

[bafanguy]

And as for "continuing the dream," this kind of garbage is turning the dream in to a nightmare for all of us.

It isn't about continuing the dream; it's about continuing the paycheck. And apparently, the frailty of this guy's retirement IS relevant and influencing his decisions. Is he required to conduct himself and his career to other people's standards ?

 

[ruhroa]

prpjt

just to keep the record straight......... it was sent to my mailbox as well as published on the forum......... i suppose you are right in hindsight i should have deleted the name but............. i didn't ......... i was so angry and shocked that a person of such caliber experience and exposure would be willing to that ..... it clouded my judgement for that i am sorry........ i am not sorry that i put the post on line though........

 

[shaq]

It isn't about continuing the dream; it's about continuing the paycheck. And apparently, the frailty of this guy's retirement IS relevant and influencing his decisions. Is he required to conduct himself and his career to other people's standards ?

Wanting to continue a paycheck doesn't make this guy special, especially in this business. He was able to work a long career for ONE company and get to retire. And using that good fortune to undercut everyone wanting to do the same thing else is BS. By the way if your so concerned about everyone's retirement prospects you should be against this kind of thing to... Can I ask how you would feel if you were applying to this position for the hope of a stable long term position with a possible retirement and then in comes this guy trying to wheel and deal his way to the top of the stack by taking advantage of the fact he ALREADY has a FULL RETIREMENT??? He can conduct himself however he wants as long as he doesn't care who he p*ss's off in the process. Most reputable D.O.'s / Chief Pilot's frown on this kind of garbage and by the way most are on that particular board (NBAA Airmail)...

I do think it is wrong to put his name on a public forum. However then again he was asking for it. Is the NBAA Airmail really that private? EVERYONE I know in the business has access to it.

Regards

 

[rice]

JEEZ, You Crack Me Up!!!

It isn't about continuing the dream; it's about continuing the paycheck. And apparently, the frailty of this guy's retirement IS relevant and influencing his decisions. Is he required to conduct himself and his career to other people's standards ?

How in the world do YOU KNOW if the guys retirement is frail or not????? Quit making assumptions about someone else' economic situation. I would be just as wrong if I assumed that the guy has a $10 miilion pension and is just doing this because he's not ready for full-time golf yet. Maybe the strength of his package is what is influencing his decisions to "share" the cost of the type rating.

BTW, we are all in some way "required" to conduct ourselves to other peoples standards. I believe its called professionalism. Do you pick your nose in the cockpit, come to work unshaven or without a shower, wear wrinkled clothes, skip the pre-flight, check the weather, fly in or near Thundserstorms, think you know how to operate the aircraft better than the AFM. I could go on and on, but these are just a few examples of conducting ones self to other's standards.

And Ruhroa, nice job with the post, shows some big ones.

 

[AA717driver]

Do you pick your nose in the cockpit, come to work unshaven or without a shower, wear wrinkled clothes, skip the pre-flight, check the weather, fly in or near Thundserstorms, think you know how to operate the aircraft better than the AFM.

Do I have to answer that? TC

 

[bafanguy]

How in the world do YOU KNOW if the guys retirement is frail or not????? Quit making assumptions about someone else' economic situation. I would be just as wrong if I assumed that the guy has a $10 miilion pension and is just doing this because he's not ready for full-time golf yet. Maybe the strength of his package is what is influencing his decisions to "share" the cost of the type rating.

BTW, we are all in some way "required" to conduct ourselves to other peoples standards. I believe its called professionalism. Do you pick your nose in the cockpit, come to work unshaven or without a shower, wear wrinkled clothes, skip the pre-flight, check the weather, fly in or near Thundserstorms, think you know how to operate the aircraft better than the AFM. I could go on and on, but these are just a few examples of conducting ones self to other's standards.

Yikes, Man !! I made no assumption about this guy's retirement. Financial motive was mentioned by someone as a reason why the guy in question was so interested in continuing to fly after his retirement. I was merely addressing that possibility from personal knowledge...not making any assumptions.

As for other people's standards, I was referring to big-picture, life choices as in whether one wants to fly during retirement, how he intends to go about doing that, and whether he must change his choices ( he doesn't ) when his methods rub some "other people" the wrong way....not whether he shaves before coming to work or skips a preflight.


Have a nice day.

 

[semperfido]

again Bafanguy is right on...

 

[sleepy]

Honestly, the last thing that I want is some washed-up old cowboy sharing his experiences (this is how we did it at brand X 20 years ago) with me. This may sound harsh, and I don't know this guy personally, but I worked at a place full of desperate old guys once, and I would not want to do it again.

 

[shaq]

again Bafanguy is right on...he obviously has been on the planet a while.

On exactly which planet would the both of you reside?

It's obviously not Earth...

Anyway, I guess I'll adopt your methodology from now on. Screw everyone else and look out for numero uno. Thanks for the advice.

 

[semperfido]

ok i like to edit so shoot me.

 

[Kingairrick]

Anyone who offers a company money to offset what are fixed costs associated with aircraft ownership is lowering the bar for all of us. This guy is guilty of exactly that. I'm glad he has been called out on it.

The NBAA Airmail forum he posted this on goes to THOUSANDS of receivers. I doubt anyone seriously considers it to be private. That would be incredibly niave. I got the origional post on the NBAA Airmail in my email, and I'm not an NBAA member anymore...

Flame his a$$...My .02, as always.

 

[bafanguy]

Honestly, the last thing that I want is some washed-up old cowboy sharing his experiences (this is how we did it at brand X 20 years ago) with me. This may sound harsh...

Gee, do ya really think so ?? That's so nice. So, since I'm one of those, allow me to share my experiences with you ( yipee oh ki-yay ): after I retired, I was called to an interview with an airline operating the same airplane I was on at retirement. When I got there, the paperwork included a 4-page legal document where I was supposed to agree to a $20K training bond, worked off over a three year period. I thanked them for the invite...got up and walked out. I consider things like that indentured servitude and refuse to be apart of it. I have remained unemployed ever since.

The only thing I support is a right to choose...and civilized behavior. The first, you apparently don't support; the second you have yet to demonstrate.

 

[sleepy]

Gee, do ya really think so ?? That's so nice. So, since I'm one of those, allow me to share my experiences with you ( yipee oh ki-yay ): after I retired, I was called to an interview with an airline operating the same airplane I was on at retirement. When I got there, the paperwork included a 4-page legal document where I was supposed to agree to a $20K training bond, worked off over a three year period. I thanked them for the invite...got up and walked out. I consider things like that indentured servitude and refuse to be apart of it. I have remained unemployed ever since.

The only thing I support is a right to choose...and civilized behavior. The first, you apparently don't support; the second you have yet to demonstrate.

Well if, as you admit, you are washed-up and a cowboy, then I really don't think there is anything that you can teach sombody like me.

It is expensive to own and operate a jet aircraft. If you can't really afford to maintain the aircraft, train your pilots and mechanics, and pay them too, then you shouldn't have an aircraft. Pilots that help people like this operate by offering to pay their own training costs or flying for free only encourage this type of owner.

 

[bafanguy]

Well if, as you admit, you are washed-up and a cowboy, then I really don't think there is anything that you can teach sombody like me.

It is expensive to own and operate a jet aircraft. If you can't really afford to maintain the aircraft, train your pilots and mechanics, and pay them too, then you shouldn't have an aircraft.

I can't see where/how job applicants have any part in that. Sounds like a management problem. And, I certainly wouldn't try to teach you anything. Quite to the contrary, I learn from exchanging ideas with people like you.

 

[kilroy]

Come on guys when are you at the point that you think you have so much knowledge and experience that you can't possibly learn anymore from the guys with experience and knowledge flying in airplane you,ll never fly ,places you,ve never been and situations you have never heard of. Yes flying is different today but we need to learn from the guys that have been there and done that and give them the respect they deserve for that. But no respect in the department of pft. Thats a different issue and needs to be treated that way.

Well if, as you admit, you are washed-up and a cowboy, then I really don't think there is anything that you can teach sombody like me.

It is expensive to own and operate a jet aircraft. If you can't really afford to maintain the aircraft, train your pilots and mechanics, and pay them too, then you shouldn't have an aircraft. Pilots that help people like this operate by offering to pay their own training costs or flying for free only encourage this type of owner.

 

[Flying Illini]

Hey Kilroy, your snowman's carrot is in the wrong place!

 

[kilroy]

OOPS!!......Hate when that happens . My wife dressed my this morning

Hey Kilroy, your snowman's carrot is in the wrong place!