Navy guys as President

[DaveGriffin]

Why is it that Navy guys end up as President?

Kennedy, Carter (puke), Bush 1 and now McCain(maybe).

Why don't AF guys make it? Is it the lack of CAS focus, post-Hog?

 

[SIG600]

Why is it that Navy guys end up as President?

Kennedy, Carter (puke), Bush 1 and now McCain(maybe).

Why don't AF guys make it? Is it the lack of CAS focus, post-Hog?

You forgot Duke Cunningham and John Kerry, also Navy vets.

How's about you troll somewhere else. There's got to be a forum somewhere for guys that pretend to be Seals, and dont actually know anything they talk about.

Here's a statistics lesson for you as well. Since the creation of the USAF, only 11 men have sat in the Oval Office. Probably would have been less if JFK had not been shot.

You're a tool. Stop giving the Navy a bad name.

 

[DaveGriffin]

You forgot Duke Cunningham and John Kerry, also Navy vets.

How's about you troll somewhere else. There's got to be a forum somewhere for guys that pretend to be Seals, and dont actually know anything they talk about.

Check your facts SIG. They weren't President.

Kerry was a *************************.

 

[DaveGriffin]

You forgot Duke Cunningham and John Kerry, also Navy vets.

How's about you troll somewhere else. There's got to be a forum somewhere for guys that pretend to be Seals, and dont actually know anything they talk about.

Here's a statistics lesson for you as well. Since the creation of the USAF, only 11 men have sat in the Oval Office. Probably would have been less if JFK had not been shot.

You're a tool. Stop giving the Navy a bad name.

All of the Navy guys I named have been President since the AF has been a distinct service.

Answer the question.

 

[SIG600]

All of the Navy guys I named have been President since the AF has been a distinct service.

Answer the question.

Pound sand loser.

If you're going to bag on the Air Force, maybe you should mention that there have been more Army alums in the White House than the Navy. Why's that? Navy not tough enough? How come no Seal as ever been president.

All rhetorical questions. I expect more of your uneducated banter and trolling. Poser. Get that Trident off your profile, you're demeaning it's value for those that have actually earned it.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Pound sand loser.

No, that's not the reason no AF guy has been president while many Navy guys have been.

I continue to believe it is related to the AF lack of interest in CAS .

 

[DaveGriffin]

Pound sand loser.

If you're going to bag on the Air Force, maybe you should mention that there have been more Army alums in the White House than the Navy. Why's that? Navy not tough enough? How come no Seal as ever been president.

All rhetorical questions. I expect more of your uneducated banter and trolling. Poser. Get that Trident off your profile, you're demeaning it's value for those that have actually earned it.

Name an Army President since Ike.

 

[SIG600]

I'd be impressed if you could tell me what type 2 control is, oh lord of CAS. Or tell me what an ISLID is, or some of the comm brevity terms.

 

[DaveGriffin]

I'd be impressed if you could tell me what type 2 control is, oh lord of CAS. Or tell me what an ISLID is, or some of the comm brevity terms.

Bad weather or night ops: the contoller can't see the target but can still give coordinates to the pilot (hopefully an F-18 guy).

 

[SIG600]

Bad weather or night ops: the contoller can't see the target but can still give coordinates to the pilot (hopefully an F-18 guy).

Oh, so close. Click here for your prize. Too bad google couldn't help your Seal cover story aye?

 

[Andy Neill]

Why is it that Navy guys end up as President?

Kennedy, Carter (puke), Bush 1 and now McCain(maybe).

Why don't AF guys make it? Is it the lack of CAS focus, post-Hog?

Doesn't GWB count for the Air Force? Three presidents (and a maybe) does not many make.

 

[GCD]

Name an Army President since Ike.

Let me see...CPT Ronald Reagan, CAARNG and USA

 

[captain dad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RoC4qOPjWk

McCain supports the troops? Uh-huh, and I’m busy saving the planet from an asteroid.
Bloviate (blō’ vē āt’): to discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner. — American Heritage Dictionary, 2003 ed.

I’m not about to disparage McCain’s military service. Could I have done five and a half years in a North Vietnamese POW prison? Though I doubt it, there’s no way to know. I didn’t have to.

But let’s say I did, and did. Would that alone have made of me a hero? Or should that have been a consequent part of the foundation underlying my presidential qualifications?

Yeah?

Exactly how? What is there about the two stations that are related?

“No, Senator; no way!”

One would, however, anticipate that, as a veteran, one of the planks he would stand front and center on would be support of those in our military, especially those who have borne the burden of the battle. Let’s open his voting record, just to find out.

Before I get to precisely what his demonstrated voting record is on support of our military, let’s take a peek at how he's voted on other issues . . . say, kids, for example.

The Children’s Defense Fund Action Council (a nonpartisan evaluator of congress), in 2007 gave you only a 10% rating, the very worst in the senate! Here’s what you voted against:
Increase funding for children with disabilities (S. Con. Res. 21)
Protect children from unsafe medications (S. 1082)
SCHIP Reauthorization (H.R. 976)
College Cost Reduction and Access Act (H.R. 2669)
SCHIP (H.R. 976 - motion to concur)
DREAM Act (S. 2205)
Funding child health and education (H.R. 3043)
Improving Head Start programs (H.R. 1429)

And per the Congressional Record, so far this session he has missed 57 percent of all senate votes and 80% of all relating to children.

Now here’s the part that the press refuses to report and that he does not want raised: the genuine level of demonstrated support of our military, by the votes! (The ones he voted “NO” on!) They’re highlighted in bold because he ought not to be allowed to dodge them, just because someone might have missed reading them.
September, 2007, McCain voted against the Webb amendment that would have provided all troops in Iraq have at least as much time home and in training as in theater. (S.Amdt 2909, 2910, 2910; 9/19/2007, 5:30 pm) http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00341

May, 2006, voted against an amendment that would have provided the VA with an additional $20 million for healthcare facilities. (S.Amdt 3704; 5/4/2006, 11:34 am) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00111

April, 2006, McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against $430 million for VA outpatient care and facilities. (S.Amdt 3642; 4/26/2006, 5:55 pm) April, 2006, McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against $430 million for VA outpatient care and facilities. (S.Amdt 3642; 4/26/2006, 5:55 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00098

March, 2006, McCain voted against increasing VA medical services funding. (S.Amdt 3007 to S.Con.Res 83; 3/14/2006, 4:22 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00041

March, 2004, McCain voted against establishing a VA reserve fund to treat veterans. (S.Amdt 2745 to S.Con.Res 95; 3/10/2004, 9:34 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00040

October, 2003, McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd (D-CN) that called for an additional $322 million in safety equipment for soldiers in Iraq. (S.Amdt. 1817 to S. 1689; 10/2/2003, 7:36 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00376

April, 2003, McCain voted to table a senate vote to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq. (S.Amdt 452 to S. 762; 4/2/2003, 5:35 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00116

August, 2001, McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650 million. (S.Amdt. 1218 to S.Amdt. 1214; 8/1/2001, 6:02 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00263

Please . . . No one try to use Senator McCain’s military record, his record of imprisonment in North Vietnam, his “concern” for America’s young, or his level of “support” for our uniformed fighting men and women in any fashion or way to demonstrate his suitability to be President of the United States. Loosely falling words and bloviation may persuade millions, but the unvarnished record cannot be spun. It’s in black and white, and available for any and all to investigate.

John McCain just is NOT the fellow being advertised. And if one of your relatives or associates attempts to tell you he is, give that person a copy of this, then tell them to just shut up; their ignorance is embarrassing you.

— Ed Tubbs

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Why is it that Navy guys end up as President?

Kennedy, Carter (puke), Bush 1 and now McCain(maybe).

Why don't AF guys make it? Is it the lack of CAS focus, post-Hog?

Kennedy - well we know what happened there.

LBJ - USNR Single term

Nixon - USNR (2) terms but screwed the pooch.

Ford - USNR - Single Term (only person to assume the vice-presidency and the presidency without having been voted into either office)

Carter - Single term

Bush 1 - Single term

McCain - no term hopefully.

NO MORE NAVY GUYS IN OVAL OFFICE PLEASE!!!

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Let me see...CPT Ronald Reagan, CAARNG and USA

He would be the only and closest to AF service.

Don't forget Bed time for BONZO!

 

[GCD]

George W. BushTexas Air National Guard First Lieutenant

George H.W. Bush United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant

Ronald Reagan United States Army Reserve, United States Army Air Corps Captain

Jimmy Carter United States Navy Lieutenant

Gerald Ford United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant

Richard Nixon United States Naval Reserve Commander

Lyndon B. Johnson United States Naval Reserve Lieutenant Commander

John F. Kennedy United States Navy Lieutenant

Dwight D. Eisenhower United States Army General of the Army

Harry S. Truman United States Army, United States Army Reserve Colonel

Franklin D. Roosevelt NoneFDR, however, did serve as Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913-1920.

Theodore Roosevelt United States Army Colonel

William McKinley United States Army Brevet Major

Benjamin Harrison United States Army Brigadier General

Chester A. Arthur New York State Militia Brigadier General

James Garfield United States Army Major General

Rutherford B. Hayes United States Army Major General

Ulysses S. Grant United States Army General of the Army

Andrew Johnson United States Army Brigadier General

Abraham Lincoln Illinois State Militia Captain

James Buchanan Pennsylvania State Militia Private

Franklin Pierce United States Army Brigadier General

Millard Fillmore New York State Militia Major American Civil War

Zachary Taylor United States Army Major GeneralWar

James K. Polk Tennessee State Militia Colonel

John Tyler United States Army Captain

William Henry Harrison United States Army Major General

Andrew Jackson Continental Army, United States Army General

James Monroe Continental Army Major

James Madison Virginia Militia Colonel

Thomas Jefferson Virginia Militia Commander

Washington Virginia Militia, Virginia Regiment Continental Army General of the Armies

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It translates over to the astronaut corps as well...

Armstrong was a Navy pilot.... there are more Navy astronauts than AF....

Simply put.... the Navy is better.....

Tell me a AF pilot that doesn't have tailhook envy.....








in coming!!!

 

[Medivacer]

And all Navy aviators really want to be grunt pilots!!!!

Semper Fi!!!

 

[erj-145mech]

And do you know what Marine stands for?

M y
A ss
R ides
I n
N avy
E quipment

:laugh:

 

[JungleJett]

Was Armstrong in the Navy when he stepped on the moon?

It translates over to the astronaut corps as well...

Armstrong was a Navy pilot.... there are more Navy astronauts than AF....

Simply put.... the Navy is better.....

Tell me a AF pilot that doesn't have tailhook envy.....








in coming!!!

 

[Dizel8]

Was Armstrong in the Navy when he stepped on the moon?

He was not, at the time he was a civilian. Due to politics, having a current member of the armed forces be the first on the moon would have looked bad, military on the moon and all.

"After serving as a naval aviator from 1949 to 1952, Armstrong joined the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA) in 1955. His first assignment was with the NACA Lewis Research Center (now NASA Glenn) in Cleveland. Over the next 17 years, he was an engineer, test pilot, astronaut and administrator for NACA and its successor agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)."

Aldrin however, appears to still have been in the AF when he joined Armstrong on the moon. He retired from the AF in 1972.

 

[millhouse21]

Buzz Aldrin was active Air Force was he not?

 

[Oh-ryan]

You want to stop Navy guys from winning the White House? Have a Notre Dame alum run against him.

Let's not forget about another strong Navy candidate- H. Ross Perot. I'm hoping he will jump into this race any day now.

 

[54fighting]

Well, it looks like we were oh so close to having two former military guys in the race this year.

Taken from an interview with George Stephanopoulos on "This Week"

Obama disclosed that he had once considered serving in the military.
“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there. And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.”

http://news.yahoo.com/story/politico/20080907/pl_politico/13217;_ylt=AoAgTaxM3c10TIufBjaKjnVh24cA

 

[Be 23]

Let me see...CPT Ronald Reagan, CAARNG and USA

Exactly. If the Air Force has to claim W, then we get Reagan too. It's only fair, right?

FWIW, my grandfather was an Air Corps veteran of WWII. The easiest way to get him fired up about the military was to accuse him of being in the Army. It's like calling a jarhead a 'sailor.'

 

[CrewDawg]

Tell me a AF pilot that doesn't have tailhook envy.....








in coming!!!

I'll stick with the Air Force!

 

[greenlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RoC4qOPjWk

McCain supports the troops? Uh-huh, and I’m busy saving the planet from an asteroid.
Bloviate (blō’ vē āt’): to discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner. — American Heritage Dictionary, 2003 ed.

I’m not about to disparage McCain’s military service. Could I have done five and a half years in a North Vietnamese POW prison? Though I doubt it, there’s no way to know. I didn’t have to.

But let’s say I did, and did. Would that alone have made of me a hero? Or should that have been a consequent part of the foundation underlying my presidential qualifications?

Yeah?

Exactly how? What is there about the two stations that are related?

“No, Senator; no way!”

One would, however, anticipate that, as a veteran, one of the planks he would stand front and center on would be support of those in our military, especially those who have borne the burden of the battle. Let’s open his voting record, just to find out.

Before I get to precisely what his demonstrated voting record is on support of our military, let’s take a peek at how he's voted on other issues . . . say, kids, for example.

The Children’s Defense Fund Action Council (a nonpartisan evaluator of congress), in 2007 gave you only a 10% rating, the very worst in the senate! Here’s what you voted against:
Increase funding for children with disabilities (S. Con. Res. 21)
Protect children from unsafe medications (S. 1082)
SCHIP Reauthorization (H.R. 976)
College Cost Reduction and Access Act (H.R. 2669)
SCHIP (H.R. 976 - motion to concur)
DREAM Act (S. 2205)
Funding child health and education (H.R. 3043)
Improving Head Start programs (H.R. 1429)

And per the Congressional Record, so far this session he has missed 57 percent of all senate votes and 80% of all relating to children.

Now here’s the part that the press refuses to report and that he does not want raised: the genuine level of demonstrated support of our military, by the votes! (The ones he voted “NO” on!) They’re highlighted in bold because he ought not to be allowed to dodge them, just because someone might have missed reading them.
September, 2007, McCain voted against the Webb amendment that would have provided all troops in Iraq have at least as much time home and in training as in theater. (S.Amdt 2909, 2910, 2910; 9/19/2007, 5:30 pm)http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00341

May, 2006, voted against an amendment that would have provided the VA with an additional $20 million for healthcare facilities. (S.Amdt 3704; 5/4/2006, 11:34 am)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00111

April, 2006, McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against $430 million for VA outpatient care and facilities. (S.Amdt 3642; 4/26/2006, 5:55 pm) April, 2006, McCain was one of 13 Republicans to vote against $430 million for VA outpatient care and facilities. (S.Amdt 3642; 4/26/2006, 5:55 pm) http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00098

March, 2006, McCain voted against increasing VA medical services funding. (S.Amdt 3007 to S.Con.Res 83; 3/14/2006, 4:22 pm)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00041

March, 2004, McCain voted against establishing a VA reserve fund to treat veterans. (S.Amdt 2745 to S.Con.Res 95; 3/10/2004, 9:34 pm)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00040

October, 2003, McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd (D-CN) that called for an additional $322 million in safety equipment for soldiers in Iraq. (S.Amdt. 1817 to S. 1689; 10/2/2003, 7:36 pm)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00376

April, 2003, McCain voted to table a senate vote to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq. (S.Amdt 452 to S. 762; 4/2/2003, 5:35 pm)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00116

August, 2001, McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650 million. (S.Amdt. 1218 to S.Amdt. 1214; 8/1/2001, 6:02 pm)http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00263

Please . . . No one try to use Senator McCain’s military record, his record of imprisonment in North Vietnam, his “concern” for America’s young, or his level of “support” for our uniformed fighting men and women in any fashion or way to demonstrate his suitability to be President of the United States. Loosely falling words and bloviation may persuade millions, but the unvarnished record cannot be spun. It’s in black and white, and available for any and all to investigate.

John McCain just is NOT the fellow being advertised. And if one of your relatives or associates attempts to tell you he is, give that person a copy of this, then tell them to just shut up; their ignorance is embarrassing you.

— Ed Tubbs

One thing about all these votes, look at the links to the amendments to the bills and see all the crep stuffed into them. I would be willing to bet that reason he voted against them is that he refused to endorse wasteful spending slipped into an otherwise important bill. That is EXACTLY what he is advertising and why he has my vote.

Cheers

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

One thing about all these votes, look at the links to the amendments to the bills and see all the crep stuffed into them. I would be willing to bet that reason he voted against them is that he refused to endorse wasteful spending slipped into an otherwise important bill. That is EXACTLY what he is advertising and why he has my vote.

Cheers

but McCain says he can be bipartisan and work to effect change...

you're telling us that McCain can't find consensus amongs his fellow senators to help Vets?

The outsourcing of the DoD is disgraceful. Walter Reed....

If anyone out there knows what its like to be a wounded Vet its McCain....

Its not Country First but Corporate First....


the reason why McCain voted down those bills is because namy of the benefits to Vets in those bills are provided by Corporations... not the DoD. It has all been outsourced....

McCain voted NO because it COST the corporati's too much money...

Not Country first...rather Corporate First...

 

[Oh-ryan]

but McCain says he can be bipartisan and work to effect change...

you're telling us that McCain can't find consensus amongs his fellow senators to help Vets?

The outsourcing of the DoD is disgraceful. Walter Reed....

If anyone out there knows what its like to be a wounded Vet its McCain....

Its not Country First but Corporate First....


the reason why McCain voted down those bills is because namy of the benefits to Vets in those bills are provided by Corporations... not the DoD. It has all been outsourced....

McCain voted NO because it COST the corporati's too much money...

Not Country first...rather Corporate First...

Specific bills and specific corporations please if you want me to give your argument any consideration. Thanks.

 

[LearLove]

for bush lovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4epat3c23k&NR=1