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N379P is a Gulfstream V that the Washington Post thinks is owned by a CIA front company .

It turns out that the movements of this and any other airplane can be monitored worldwide by following the logs posted by plane spotters on the internet.

How long till 2" registration numbers make a comeback?
 
Actually it's a GV and a BBJ. All owned by a company in NC and on long term lease to the gov't.

The registration is to a lawyers office in Dedham, MA right down the road.

They've changed the Tail number of this airplane quite a few times after it gets a lot of attention.

Especially after the stockholm incident.

The internet must drive them nuts because you can do a serial registration search and come up with the new tail numbers they put on their plane.

Also airliners.net have quite a few pictures of it. Back when it was the old registration and the new registration.
 
For Those Who Don't Want To Register On The News Site

Jet Is an Open Secret in Terror War

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 27, 2004; Page A01


The airplane is a Gulfstream V turbojet, the sort favored by CEOs and celebrities. But since 2001 it has been seen at military airports from Pakistan to Indonesia to Jordan, sometimes being boarded by hooded and handcuffed passengers.

The plane's owner of record, Premier Executive Transport Services Inc., lists directors and officers who appear to exist only on paper. And each one of those directors and officers has a recently issued Social Security number and an address consisting only of a post office box, according to an extensive search of state, federal and commercial records.

This Gulfstream V turbojet is believed to be used to transport suspected terrorists to other countries for interrogation -- a practice called rendition. (Special To The Washington Post)

Bryan P. Dyess, Steven E. Kent, Timothy R. Sperling and Audrey M. Tailor are names without residential, work, telephone or corporate histories -- just the kind of "sterile identities," said current and former intelligence officials, that the CIA uses to conceal involvement in clandestine operations. In this case, the agency is flying captured terrorist suspects from one country to another for detention and interrogation.

The CIA calls this activity "rendition." Premier Executive's Gulfstream helps make it possible. According to civilian aircraft landing permits, the jet has permission to use U.S. military airfields worldwide.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, secret renditions have become a principal weapon in the CIA's arsenal against suspected al Qaeda terrorists, according to congressional testimony by CIA officials. But as the practice has grown, the agency has had significantly more difficulty keeping it secret.

According to airport officials, public documents and hobbyist plane spotters, the Gulfstream V, with tail number N379P, has been used to whisk detainees into or out of Jakarta, Indonesia; Pakistan; Egypt; and Sweden, usually at night, and has landed at well-known U.S. government refueling stops.

As the outlines of the rendition system have been revealed, criticism of the practice has grown. Human rights groups are working on legal challenges to renditions, said Morton Sklar, executive director of the World Organization for Human Rights USA, because one of their purposes is to transfer captives to countries that use harsh interrogation methods outlawed in the United States. That, he said, is prohibited by the U.N. Convention on Torture.

The CIA has the authority to carry out renditions under a presidential directive dating to the Clinton administration, which the Bush administration has reviewed and renewed. The CIA declined to comment for this article.

"Our policymakers would never confront the issue," said Michael Scheuer, a former CIA counterterrorism officer who has been involved with renditions and supports the practice. "We would say, 'Where do you want us to take these people?' The mind-set of the bureaucracy was, 'Let someone else do the dirty work.' "

The story of the Gulfstream V offers a rare glimpse into the CIA's secret operations, a world that current and former CIA officers said should not have been so easy to document.

Not only have the plane's movements been tracked around the world, but the on-paper officers of Premier Executive Transport Services are also connected to a larger roster of false identities.

Each of the officers of Premier Executive is linked in public records to one of five post office box numbers in Arlington, Oakton, Chevy Chase and the District. A total of 325 names are registered to the five post office boxes.

An extensive database search of a sample of 44 of those names turned up none of the information that usually emerges in such a search: no previous addresses, no past or current telephone numbers, no business or corporate records. In addition, although most names were attached to dates of birth in the 1940s, '50s or '60s, all were given Social Security numbers between 1998 and 2003.

The Washington Post showed its research to the CIA, including a chart connecting Premier Executive's officers, the post office boxes, the 325 names, the recent Social Security numbers and an entity called Executive Support OFC. A CIA spokesman declined to comment.
 
This Gulfstream V turbojet is believed to be used to transport suspected terrorists to other countries for interrogation -- a practice called rendition. (Special To The Washington Post)

They're flying suspected terrorist on a GV? I'd put their ass on a hot in the summer time, cold in the winter, slow moving Navajo with one bad engine.
 
CRFLyPutt said:
This Gulfstream V turbojet is believed to be used to transport suspected terrorists to other countries for interrogation -- a practice called rendition. (Special To The Washington Post)

They're flying suspected terrorist on a GV? I'd put their ass on a hot in the summer time, cold in the winter, slow moving Navajo with one bad engine.
With two PFTers up front...

-mini
 
Guys, let's remember that these are American pilots putting their lives at risk in foreign lands to do their part fighting terrorists. Speculation about what the airplane looks like, where it is, and what N number it has puts people's lives at risk.
 
XGmaninGA said:
Guys, let's remember that these are American pilots putting their lives at risk in foreign lands to do their part fighting terrorists. Speculation about what the airplane looks like, where it is, and what N number it has puts people's lives at risk.
Anyone else thinking XG flies a Gulfstream??

Just giving you a hard time, very true what you say, but thats kind of what the whole article is about. It's very public knowledge what the N number is, what the airplane looks like, and also what its itinerary is.

Bet the pilots though have some great beer drinking stories!
 
XGmaninGA said:
Guys, let's remember that these are American pilots putting their lives at risk in foreign lands to do their part fighting terrorists. Speculation about what the airplane looks like, where it is, and what N number it has puts people's lives at risk.


If it was really important the 'powers-at-be' that the movements of this plane were kept secret, you can rest assured it would be.

IFF, etc..

but it's not, so they 'aint too worried about it.

So I wouldn't sweat divulging N numbers, etc...
 
379P now 8068v is no big secret.

Pictures can be found all over the internet.

Here is one in it's old tail number

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/240368/L/
Here is one with the new tail number


http://www.airliners.net/open.file/703198/L/
This info is all over the web.

I'm not putting anything out there that basic internet skills could not find. Many articles have been written on the subject.

There are also pictures out there of the sister 737 but i'm too lazy to pull that info out. Of course I don't want to give away to many of XG's secrets.
 
dtoften said:
Well, the new number is now N44982 as of 12-16-2004. Wonder how much money it cost to change N number?

Probably just the cost of scrapping the old numbers, and applying the new numbers when it's a government agency requesting the change.
 
I have Flight Explorer on my home computer, and I recall seeing a G-V with a blocked n-number going from Libya to Gitmo. I'm guessing it wasn't someone going on vacation.
 
This aircraft and the CIA program in which it is involved were highlighted in the lead story on 60 Minutes tonight. The program was started under Clinton, but has expanded post-9/11. Apparently, they use it to fly terror suspects to countries where it's not illegal to beat the crap out of them in order to garner information.
 
FL000 said:
This aircraft and the CIA program.....Apparently, they use it to fly terror suspects to countries where it's not illegal to beat the crap out of them in order to garner information.


I don't see a problem with that at all. Beat the fuking **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** out of them. No takie...bullet in the head and press on to the next one....

And before you know it...lips start moving...
 
While it's nice that they take them to other countries to beat the crap out of terrorists, I really think they should be strapped to the wings instead of sitting inside the nice plush G5.
 

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