My thoughts on S.65

[Spooky 1]

Wow, You're a jackass.

I don't give a rat's a$$ when you want to retire or how many millions you think you will lose if you retire 5 years early. Trust me, I will not lose a wink of sleep worrying about you. I can't emphasize enough how much I don't care about you.

"...you need to get out more."

I just destroyed your argument and this is your best response??? Besides, I am willing to bet I "get out more" than you do.

This is my future I'm talking about and your response to my concern and opinion is "you need to get out more"? Screw you.

"Most of us do not have our egos and sense of self worth so heavily shaped by how we make a living"

Huh??? Are you for real?? You don't even know me. What an idiotic comment. Sound like you're a bit judgmental. I hope that you don't make judgements about women or black people like you're doing with me.

"Perhaps you might consider helping another less fortunate human being(s) before you check out of this life, or go climb a glacier, kayak a river, take up surfing, just stare at the stars, or any one of a billion other activities."

Yeah, whatever you douchebag. Physically, I'd put you to shame. And I probably do more volunteer work than you do. My experience is that when fools like you make these comments they are in fact the ones who need to go help the less fortunate, climb a glacier, take up surfing, blah, blah, blah.

"Your question itself leads me to believe you cannot view life outside a cockpit."

No, it doesn't. You just can't think of anything more intelligent to say so you cast insults...and really lame ones....like a 12 year old.

Nice try you retard. Now go take a walk on the freeway.

Hey BBB..........I don't think this guy likes you. He just doesn't know what a warm friendly kinda guy you really are. Age 65 will work, trust me.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Hey BBB..........I don't think this guy likes you. He just doesn't know what a warm friendly kinda guy you really are. Age 65 will work, trust me.

Hey Spooky! Like Rush says ... "I'm just a lovable little fuzzball"! Gotta say though, I've seen tougher skins on a pinot noir grape!

BBB

 

[Spooky 1]

For all of you smart guys out there, think about this. Your company's B fund was set up because you couldn't legally work from 60 to 65 (supposedly the most lucrative earning years of you life). Now that you will be able to work until 65, the companies will figure out rather quickly that you don't need that B fund anymore and they can save even more $Billions by not contributing to your B fund anymore. The law of unintended consequences strikes again (although I am sure that managament knew this all the time).

Champ42272

Champ..........not sure there are anymore B funds around this industry anymore. maybe over there where you work, but that must be an exception.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

A lot of pilots are against raising the age past 60, mostly citing it will take them 5 (or whatever) more years to get the flying job they want.

If age 60 is better, why should you have to wait to get that job?

What is keeping congress from changing the age? If a younger retirement age is better, why not 55? Why not 50? Why not 45? Why not 40? Why not 35? Why not 30?

Using most of the anti-60 people's logic, younger is better. So, I ask again, why not mandatory retirement at age 30? If younger is better, 30 would be TONS better than 60. Think how fast you could get that job?

Now, if you don't think forced retirement at age 30 is better than 60, your whole arguement for keeping the age at 60 falls apart.

It is illogical to say 60 is better, but not support 30.

So, which is it? A drive to make pilots retire at age 30, or are you going to stop age discrimination and lets pilots fly until they want to retire, as long as they are physically able.

Cliff
GRB

PS-This is the same arguement I've had with some people who say the speed limit should be 55 instead of 70, because slower is safer. If slower is safer, why stop at 55? Wouldn't a national speed limit of 5 mpg be TONS safer than 55?

When I explain this, the "slower is better" crowd all say that 5 mph is too slow, and we wouldn't get anywhere. EXACTLY. Now if you're argueing that the speed limit should be lower to save fuel, then a speed limit of about 45 mph makes total sense, as there is an exact speed that would save the most fuel nationwide.

"Slower is better" doesn't cut it. Neither does "Younger is better."

 

[Purpledog]

I thought the whole reason to get into this job, and it is a job, Skippy, was to work less, get paid more. What has happened to the logic of the profession? You all dumbfound me. At 55, if my butt isn't firmly planted in the sand with a fruity cocktail, I have done something seriously wrong. Repeat after me, work less, paid more, work less, paid more, work less, paid more..............

Your question itself leads me to believe you cannot view life outside a cockpit.

That about sums it up for many of those I have run across.

 

[SWAdude]

I thought the whole reason to get into this job, and it is a job, Skippy, was to work less, get paid more. What has happened to the logic of the profession? You all dumbfound me. At 55, if my butt isn't firmly planted in the sand with a fruity cocktail, I have done something seriously wrong. Repeat after me, work less, paid more, work less, paid more, work less, paid more..............

That about sums it up for many of those I have run across.

I don't get it. How do you get paid more by quiting early?

 

[capt. megadeth]

At 55, if my butt isn't firmly planted in the sand with a fruity cocktail, I have done something seriously wrong. .

No doubt. I would rather not live like a rock star and retire earlier. Actually, I would rather live like a rock star AND retire earlier but I am not a CEO so I guess it's one or the other.

 

[Purpledog]

How do you get paid more by quiting early?

You get paid more by bringing the value of the jet pilot up to what it should be and not agreeing to do our profession for less than a manager at MacDonalds makes. You don't get paid more by working longer, you just work longer and earn the same crappy wage, just longer. But first I guess we have to be able to spell, two 't's in quitting. Just messing with you, I'm a frequent spelling disaster.

 

[Dennis Miller]

Repeat after me, work less, paid more, work less, paid more, work less, paid more..............

Regrettably my friend you are sounding more like a 16 year old mother of 4 who just got her Ed Mc Mahon USA government check on the first.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Regrettably my friend you are sounding more like a 16 year old mother of 4 who just got her Ed Mc Mahon USA government check on the first.

Nooo...he sounds like he flys for a company that can easily pass any increase in costs to the consumer. Once that gravy train ends,he will find out what it is really like out here , just like the rest of us had the last several years.


PHXFLYR

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

You guys can debate this until the cows come home. Even longer than the Wright debate. It also reminds me of the Social Security debate.

Shortest synopsis I can come up with-----


Old guys to Young guys---I'd like to keep working until 65. I'll make more cash and I love the job I do. Most of us worked hard to land this dream job and its hard to job search at 60, give me a break. I care about your furloughes and income but stop trying to kick me out of my seat!

Young guys to Old guys---Get out of my seat Old man, you are the only thing holding up my career!! I'd like to get out of the regionals before I'm 35. Besides, a deal is a deal.


Don't forget, Young dudes, many pilots will medical out before 60. Imagine how many more will medical out before 65 or 67. No right answer here. It is what it is, a crappy time in this industry.

 

[Purpledog]

This dumbfounds me. What exactly is your goal? Work twice as hard for half the pay. Now that's something to shoot for! Everyone realizes that pax carriers are in a bind right now. However, that is no reason to minimize our profession and your sense of self worth. Do you really think that you deserve to be paid less than a fast food manager?

Once that gravy train ends,he will find out what it is really like out here , just like the rest of us had the last several years

I hope it never happens, but thanks for rooting against the 4600 of us that are trying to keep the bar at a decent level. Yes I am fortunate that I work for a company that makes money, never said I wasn't. You all sound like a bunch of management stooges. Attitudes like this are why our profession is in the gutter.

 

[vetrider]

My thoughts? This round and round stuff is like arguing abortion, religion, and the death penalty. With age 60 the way it is at least we know what we've got. I say leave the rule alone, maybe its not perfect but we know what it is and every single pilot here has known what it is before he even got into the business.
There is a book titled "One Pilots Log: The Career of E.L. 'Slonnie' Sloniger" which was written by his son. It chronicles his life and career. Slonnie is also Ernie Ganns Old Number One. Chapter one has some very interesting reading on the subject. Age 60 feelings aside, I would definately recommend the book to anyone.

 

[Malter1]

Anyone have a link for the latest info on S.65?

 

[Flopgut]

You guys can debate this until the cows come home. Even longer than the Wright debate. It also reminds me of the Social Security debate.

Shortest synopsis I can come up with-----

Don't forget, Young dudes, many pilots will medical out before 60.

Yes, unfortunately for me, it will probably be me.