My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[B19 Flyer]

That was a mistake...

HSF! Go get 'em!!!!

It's got to be her....

 

[B19 Flyer]

Oh yeah, BTW, B19, I'm putting an offer on a piece of property this week I want to build my families dream house on this week...something I wouldnt have been able to do a year ago if I had let my elected leaders sit on their haunches and let the company do their thing and not present the pilot group the IBB.... Win Win negotiating...remember?
We both worked together and continue a strong symbiotic relationship......y'know? Oops, I'm sorry, you cannot see that throught your blinders.

..tah tah, sweetie, ...and I will eagerly await your fetid response, as pathetic as it may be.

You know what's funny? I have a couple of houses, not by choice, I'd rather have just one. I wasn't able to sell the last one after my last layoff from a union action so I just rent it out now. Thankfully the renter is taking nice care of it.

Congrads on being able to buy that piece of property. I do understand how nice it is to live in your own home.

The problem is, that I was forced to leave my favorite home and move to pay the bills. I hope you don't fall into the same fate as I did.

Let's hope that the union treats you better than me. Many of my friends have suffered the same fate as me, they rent thiers out too.

 

[imacdog]

That's a new one B, how do you come up with all these good stories? Although, you haven't said much about your "friend's suicide" bit lately. Did that fable get too stale?

 

[fischman]

You know what's funny? I have a couple of houses, not by choice, I'd rather have just one. I wasn't able to sell the last one after my last layoff from a union action so I just rent it out now. Thankfully the renter is taking nice care of it.

Congrads on being able to buy that piece of property. I do understand how nice it is to live in your own home.

The problem is, that I was forced to leave my favorite home and move to pay the bills. I hope you don't fall into the same fate as I did.

Let's hope that the union treats you better than me. Many of my friends have suffered the same fate as me, they rent thiers out too.

BOOO HOOOO!!!!:crying:

 

[brokeflyer]

You know what's funny? I have a couple of houses, not by choice, I'd rather have just one. I wasn't able to sell the last one after my last layoff from a union action so I just rent it out now. Thankfully the renter is taking nice care of it.

Congrads on being able to buy that piece of property. I do understand how nice it is to live in your own home.

The problem is, that I was forced to leave my favorite home and move to pay the bills. I hope you don't fall into the same fate as I did.

Let's hope that the union treats you better than me. Many of my friends have suffered the same fate as me, they rent thiers out too.

with your attitude i see why you got laid off......

 

[Galaxy]

They always cut the dead weight on a layoff first-Is that what happened?
Did you get to keep the red stapler?

Tell Nancy we said Hello.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Was I married to you at some point?

So Solly, Sweetie, your not my type.....

But If you dress like the way you whine on this board, I bet you are one HOT looking dumb blonde....


...Splash!! Shot out!
Drop 50 and Fire for Effect, Over!


Be careful what you ask for, B....

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

You know what's funny? I have a couple of houses, not by choice, I'd rather have just one. I wasn't able to sell the last one after my last layoff from a union action so I just rent it out now. Thankfully the renter is taking nice care of it. Well, Piss Poor Planning Prevents Proper Performance.. I have that base covered but thanks for the warning.

Congrads on being able to buy that piece of property. I do understand how nice it is to live in your own home. And I have so for many years.... now I'm getting what I want this time around.

The problem is, that I was forced to leave my favorite home and move to pay the bills. I hope you don't fall into the same fate as I did. I have my plan b and c...too bad you didnt plan that way so we wouldn't be having this 'battle of the wits' ... battle of wits, oiy vey.:laugh:

Let's hope that the union treats you better than me. I am the union, and I'll be damned if we allow ours to allow us to fall by the wayside. Many of my friends have suffered the same fate as me, they rent thiers out too. quote]

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent post, HSF! When the once apathetic NJ pilots of Local 284 stopped relying on a distant national organization to improve things for them and realized that they are the Union everything changed for the better. The NJA and FltOps pilots have taken charge of their own destiny and are standing up for themselves. Those flinging FUD and putting down the Union are deliberately (with much ignorance in the process) insulting every pilot that is a member of 1108 and NJASAP.

Furthermore, the vast majority of pilots are unionized for good reason as they well know. Managers and their union-busting cohorts typically work under a contract but actively try (telling lies left and right) to prevent pilots from exercising their legal right to do the same thing. What hypocrites! Yes, I've posted that point before, (it bears repeating) but it makes me disgusted every time I think of their hypocrisy...

I'm busy planning my family's vacation, ever conscious that many FltOps pilots and their families can't afford a vacation. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for management to withhold their contract. Doing so is evidence of short-sighted arrogance. The Sheering Gang is practicing their thuggery on those who played a major role in building the business the FLOPS are ruining. The gobs of money they're throwing away on their FUD campaign just proves over and over that a strong contract is a necessity if the pilots are going to protect their biggest investment from those who can (and obviously will) destroy their career on a whim. Hang in there, guys! NJW

 

[skanza]

You never answered dime line's question.

Kind of like B19?

Give me a dollar amount.

What should a FLOPS pilot earn?

You're right, sorry.
How 'bout $67,290?
Of course that all depends on which airframe you're on, how many hrs you have, etc...

Point is, probably no two pilots make the same so who cares?

 

[gunfyter]

You're right, sorry.
How 'bout $67,290?
Of course that all depends on which airframe you're on, how many hrs you have, etc...

Point is, probably no two pilots make the same so who cares?

I think you forgot to put a "1" in front of the 67,290...

$167,290 Thats pretty close to what I earn yr 10. So FLOPS guys of the same seniority should be somewhere in that range.

 

[fischman]

You're right, sorry.
How 'bout $67,290?
Of course that all depends on which airframe you're on, how many hrs you have, etc...

Point is, probably no two pilots make the same so who cares?

Wow.

Glad I don't work at FLOPS.

That is low.

Personally, I feel that is a good starting wage for a regional airline. Not a Fractional. We are gone longer, have more duties, and have to be able to think on our feet.

 

[ProFracPilot]

You're right, sorry.
How 'bout $67,290?
Of course that all depends on which airframe you're on, how many hrs you have, etc...

Point is, probably no two pilots make the same so who cares?

I care. Very much. Unlike you and our mis-managment team.

You've shown your true colors here, Skumza. First, you've proven that you endorse lowering the maintenance bar to an unsafe - let alone unairworthy - level on FlOps aircraft. Now, you've shown your willingness to see the bar lowered even further on compensation. I'm pretty sure you can find just the environment you're seeking in a night-freight operator somewhere. Pehaps when you hit that magic 1200 hour total-time mark and can get a 135-PIC checkout, you'll get your wish.

The clientele we fly want uber-safe, airworthy airplanes crewed by happy, well rested, fairly compensated pilots. I challenge you to find any of them that would say different.

 

[skanza]

Nice job folks. I figured pulling a random number out of my uh... behind, would stir quite a bit. And it caused some to give up their salaries. Really, this is a silly message board and I don't expect to see any accurate numbers here (salary, hrs flown, types of aircraft flown, etc...). EVERYBODY is bs'ing everybody else.
So my answer to "how much should a FLOPS pilot earn?" is not relevant in terms of a dollar figure as everybody's going to be different.
But thanks for humoring me.

 

[gunfyter]

Nice job folks. I figured pulling a random number out of my uh... behind, .

So thats where management gets all their ideas.:laugh: We're all in deep doo doo then.

 

[netjetwife]

I care. Very much. Unlike you and our mis-managment team. I knew one of you guys would speak up right away. Every underpaid pilot watching others doing the same job but making lots more is definitely concerned.

You've shown your true colors here, Skumza. And they haven't changed a bit since the NJ pilots were at the table...:erm: They knew FUD when they heard it and so do the Options pilots. First, you've proven that you endorse lowering the maintenance bar to an unsafe - let alone unairworthy - level on FlOps aircraft. Now, you've shown your willingness to see the bar lowered even further on compensation. Pilot compensation, that is. He probably thinks Sheeringa is worth every penny... while the rest of us think he should get the boot... I'm pretty sure you can find just the environment you're seeking in a night-freight operator somewhere. Pehaps when you hit that magic 1200 hour total-time mark and can get a 135-PIC checkout, you'll get your wish.

The clientele we fly want uber-safe, airworthy airplanes crewed by happy, well rested, fairly compensated pilots. I challenge you to find any of them that would say different.

Exactly! When it comes to their own safety most people don't cut corners, especially those who can easily afford to make it a top priority. Run down, stressed out pilots are a red flag sign of mismanagement.

The Sheeringa Gang needs to get it right or get the boot!

 

[William Holiday]

Hey Skanza.....sucker, guess you never had the expirence of looking across the CP to see "the WTF face." during a rapid D, or watching an " abnormal " go to full blown emergency in a matter of seconds.

Or how about a major hydrallic line blowing on short runway in the mts. You damn well better hope you checked your nitrogen.

The fact of the matter is.....I'm going home, with or without your job, your inuendo, or wacked ideas on what you feel is acceptable. During the course of pre-flight, Only a fool would spin the wheel in this business and " Hope for the best " Yeah....It will never happen to me !

I hope it never happens to YOU. " YOU DA "

If you get what you want.....You'll have timid pilots flying crappy equipment, working for substandard wages....and maybe, just maybe, you'll get the oppertunity to " RIDE IN BACK".....and say your.....

PRAYERS.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Exactly! When it comes to their own safety most people don't cut corners, especially those who can easily afford to make it a top priority. Run down, stressed out pilots are a red flag sign of mismanagement.

The Sheeringa Gang needs to get it right or get the boot!

First, what on earth do you know about safety programs? You don't even work in the industry, fractional or otherwise.

But... to expand on your ignorance, I've repeatedly seen safety programs compromised by union leadership as they have prevented or slowed down essential programs with their micromanagement.
As an example, pilots will never see cockpit cameras due to union involvement, yet they are an essential tool for investigating accidents.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Furthermore, the vast majority of pilots are unionized for good reason as they well know. Managers and their union-busting cohorts typically work under a contract but actively try (telling lies left and right) to prevent pilots from exercising their legal right to do the same thing. What hypocrites! Yes, I've posted that point before, (it bears repeating) but it makes me disgusted every time I think of their hypocrisy...

There is a major difference that you fail to note.

Management contracts are OFFERED by the company to attract, hire and retain quality managers.

Union contracts on the other hand place restrictions on the company and are never negotiated in good faith. They are negotiated using blackmail and scorched earth tactics.

There is no hypocrisy. They are different contracts entirely. You really don't understand basic business, do you?

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

First, what on earth do you know about safety programs? You don't even work in the industry, fractional or otherwise.

But... to expand on your ignorance, I've repeatedly seen safety programs compromised by union leadership as they have prevented or slowed down essential programs with their micromanagement.
As an example, pilots will never see cockpit cameras due to union involvement, yet they are an essential tool for investigating accidents.

Essential?? How, Watching the impact?? C'mon....The CVR and DFDR can present all tangible information without having you or someone else watch the carnage unfold.....all a camera can do is cause trouble between management and crewmembers, and actually decrease the safety enviornment because No one will concentrate enough because they are in fear of Big Brother catching them picking their nose instead of scanning the oil gauge during climbout..... Preposterous arguement..

 

[B19 Flyer]

Essential?? How, Watching the impact?? C'mon....The CVR and DFDR can present all tangible information without having you or someone else watch the carnage unfold.....all a camera can do is cause trouble between management and crewmembers, and actually decrease the safety enviornment because No one will concentrate enough because they are in fear of Big Brother catching them picking their nose instead of scanning the oil gauge during climbout..... Preposterous arguement..

The NTSB has a different opinion on that and if you really think that it's a proposterous arguement, you are a lot less experienced than I gave you credit for.

CVRs and DFDRs do not capture everything, known fact.

The same protections would be in place as a CVR, you know that just like we all do. It's just another example of unions sticking their nose where it doesnt' belong.

 

[brokeflyer]

The NTSB has a different opinion on that and if you really think that it's a proposterous arguement, you are a lot less experienced than I gave you credit for.

CVRs and DFDRs do not capture everything, known fact.

The same protections would be in place as a CVR, you know that just like we all do. It's just another example of unions sticking their nose where it doesnt' belong.

once again the all knowing Lord B19 has spoken.....we must all now bow down and.....

barf.

b19 your have yet to be worthy of posting here. Give it up rookie, you got ALOT to learn about this business. In fact why are you even postin in the fractional forums? You dont have anything to do with fractionals. Go over post in the flight instruction forum, maybe you can help all the other rookies by having them avoid unions....lol

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

The NTSB has a different opinion on that and if you really think that it's a proposterous arguement, you are a lot less experienced than I gave you credit for.

Yeah em, "Beginner" is the credit you are giving me, and wondering if i'm your ex wife... theres a whole bucket of credit....
.....Been there done that, The more people that consider me a rookie knuckle-dragging neanderthal, the better... they'll be just more surprised when the time comes.
Be careful what YOU ask for...

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yeah em, "Beginner" is the credit you are giving me, and wondering if i'm your ex wife... theres a whole bucket of credit....
.....Been there done that, The more people that consider me a rookie knuckle-dragging neanderthal, the better... they'll be just more surprised when the time comes.
Be careful what YOU ask for...

If it wasn't for your ranting, raving and temper tantrums than all you state above wouldn't be so obvious.