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This is my first post here in a long time, and a lot has happened since I first posted here.

I have been flight training for the past year and have earned my PPL and IFR ratings. Unfortunately, I have no more money to pay for any more flying or flight training, and I did not get accepted into WMU or any of the other schools that I applied to.

It looks like my flying career is over before it even started.

I basically have two options, either look for another low-paying job here in Cincinnati, or move back to South Carolina and work in the family business. It sucks that after all of the time that I put into this, that I have to give up my dream of flying professionally and end up working some desk job.
 
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same happened to me... though i only had a PPL and was about 6 lessons away from the IR. So i did the only thing i could do .. go and find a good paying job and save up. I saved up some money (+ the help of some "sponsors" ), and i'm back at it again .. half way through commercial!

Don't give up! Stuff like that happens. I thought i'd never get to fly again, but yet i got another opportunity - and i'm sure you will get another one too.
 
As I was told by a C130H captain who got his a$$ laid off from Frontier and AA right after he did the sim training at both airlines:

"If you want to make money and fly, become a tax lawyer. That way you can afford to buy your own plane and fly it around"

Sad but true anymore...............
 
Dear Pax -


There are many ways to skin a cat, especially this one. I would hazard a guess that nearly all of us were in your shoes at one point or another in our careers. Don't give up!!!! Go work in the business if you have to, but work wherever you can make the most money and still survive mentally while you plug away at earning your Commercial and CFI/CFII. This is assuming you don't want to continue your education through some alternate route. For example, would it help your chances at WMU if you went to a community college for a year and kicked a$$? You could then reapply next year with proof of your ability. Find out which schools' credits are accepted by WMU so your credits will transfer next year when they accept you. BTW, if you are out of money now, how were you going to pay for WMU? Just trying to find out what your circumstances are.

Another idea would be enlisting in the Air or Army National Guard. It varies by state, but they give anywhere from 50-100% tuition reimbursements, plus the VA will pay you just to go to school if you are an enlisted person. It's a great deal, you'll learn alot along the way and maybe it will open up some options for you later on. I put myself through a 4-year state school this way, and paid for my PPL, Inst and Comm along the way. Search this site for previous posts on it, but its just one idea.

Keep your chin up, take a step back and get creative!
 
Sorry to hear that you're struggling a bit, but I can't see why your career is over. This isn't an easy industry, and many if not most professional pilots have gone through the very crap you're dealing with now.

How old are you? I've had to do the "how the hell am I going to pay for flying AND college at the same time?" thing myself. Yeah, I wanted to take my ATP ride on my 23rd birthday, etc...but here I am at 25 with half the hours to even be able to take the ride to begin with. Sure, reality gave me a swift kick in the @ss, but I love to fly, and I'm still fighting for the dream. And you know what else I discovered? I'm enjoying the long road I'm taking to get there.

So as far as I'm concerned, you can call it quits and fly recreationally, or if you really love flying and can't imagine doing anything else - sack up, get a job, meet as many people as you can around the airport, and make it happen.

JMO. I apologize if I have you pegged wrong.
 
If you really wan't to fly, and also get a 4 year degree free, it's called the Illinois Veterans Grant, flight training through comm, inst. and multi, and maybe CFI and a 4 year degree 100% paid by the state of Illinois.
To qualify, move to Illinois asap, get a driver license and find a job for 6 months to establish residency, the first day you get there enlist in one of the armed forces delayed entry programs, I enlisted for 6 years in the Marine Corps and got a guaranteed job as an avionics technician, the MOS is 6400, if you go avionics you should stay away from the front lines if you don't want to be up there.
Get an honorable discharge and you must move back to Illinois with 6 months to qualify for the IVG.

Search Illinois Veterans Grant for more info.

I had a blast the 6 years I did in the USMC, if you go avionics it's an 8 hour a day job 5 days a week.
 
A Passenger said:
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It looks like my flying career is over before it even started...

...It sucks that after all of the time that I put into this, that I have to give up my dream of flying professionally and end up working some desk job.

Yes, it would indeed appear your career is over before it started. Reason being you have encountered an obstacle and rather than overcome it you choose to give up. That is not a desirable personality trait in this business and it is to the mutual benefit of yourself and the profession that you have chosen to retreat. Trade your self pity for courage and determination and you might have a chance.
 
if you truly want to fly...don't give up! Get a job part time with Comair or Delta working the ramp (travel benefits may be all you need to keep you interested!). work at the airport (CVG or local) if you can. Take several jobs if necessary but always leave yourself enough time to fly. Ask for a family loan. Figure out a budget. Get with your instructor and ask for their advice. Talk to other pilots and ask their advice about funding and the ways to do it. If it's truly your passion you'll find a way to continue. But don't give up!

All of us who did our flight training the "old fashioned" way ran out of money now and then. Don't let it derail your ambition. Good luck!!
 
I've been right where you're at - almost exactly - and had age working against me, as well. I'm hunting for a part-time/second job right now and have pared my expenses down to bare minimums to free up 500 - 600 per month for flying, and I still hope to be instructing by next Summer. I haven't given up, despite having put it on hold four or five times and turning 40 last year. Neither should you.

If you want it bad enough ... you'll find a way.

Best of luck ...

Minh "Old Fart" Thong
 
Like someone said earlier, go to a community college and then apply to WMU. Believe me, they accepted my stupid A$$ so there's no reason they won't accept you if and when you get your grades up. I suggest you go into their Aviation "couph" Management program and do your flying elsewhere like the local FBO. It'll be cheaper and you'll graduate faster. The airlines don't care what your degree is in as long as you have it.
 
falcon20driver said:
If you really wan't to fly, and also get a 4 year degree free, it's called the Illinois Veterans Grant, flight training through comm, inst. and multi, and maybe CFI and a 4 year degree 100% paid by the state of Illinois.
To qualify, move to Illinois asap, get a driver license and find a job for 6 months to establish residency, the first day you get there enlist in one of the armed forces delayed entry programs, I enlisted for 6 years in the Marine Corps and got a guaranteed job as an avionics technician, the MOS is 6400, if you go avionics you should stay away from the front lines if you don't want to be up there.
Get an honorable discharge and you must move back to Illinois with 6 months to qualify for the IVG.

Search Illinois Veterans Grant for more info.

I had a blast the 6 years I did in the USMC, if you go avionics it's an 8 hour a day job 5 days a week.
I second that advice. Get some milspec time, get the bennies, get out with some cash saved up. You'll be in command.

All I can tell you is, keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn. That may mean working hard for it, just like the rest of us silly bastages. You think I left a secure 40,000 dollar a year factory job over a decade ago, dumped 20,000 dollars into a hinky flight school and another 30,000 to finish up college, sweating my ass off flying jumpers, cfi'ing and flying cattle around in navajo's, to wind flying a freaking desk somewhere?

I wouldn't sweat the current glut in regional hiring, as I have a feeling the majors are going to be claiming back a lot of flying from contractors and wholly owneds in their new business model of the future. They are going to be competing with the jet blues and the southwests to survive, so it may be quite possible there is going to be a dramatic shake up in how business is done in the future.

With all the majors taking huge paycuts and looking at getting their furloghed guys back to work, I suspect the new lower end wages at the majors is going to make it redundant to pay senior captains at code shares the same money to do outsourced flying. Look at Northwest, latest news is mainline is buying 70 seat regional jets. What does that mean? I don't know, but I suspect there is a bad moon rising in Mesaba or Pinnacles future.

Airline analysts also predict that Delta mainline as well as other legacy carriers, will be half as big in 2015 as they are now. Take it with a grain of salt, but you may be better off taking the military route, getting your life skills buffed up, grabing the government dole and putting some dinero in the bank, so you can come into this career well provisioned after the dust settles.

If you took a four year enlistment to get bennies and learn some technical field in the military, you could get some real life experience and uncle sam will help cover your tution in the future. Plus, once you get stationed somwhere, you could start flying lessons at the base flying club...so it's quite possible you would get out with a head start on your time building.

It's not two or four year plan, this flying thing. You have to be looking 5, 10, 15, or even 16 years into the future. Your path will be beset with changes and segues you haven't even considered yet.

Heck, you could spend a hundred grand plus to get through one of these university flight programs after floating a bodacious loan, only to lose an eye after gradution horsing around during a quick game of smear the queer. Schit happens.

Look at your setback not as an ending, just an operational stumbling block in your path to getting this task done. If you really believe and put forth some effort, you will get it.
 
A Passenger said:
It looks like my flying career is over before it even started.
I know how you feel.



I have no college. I have a wife and a daughter. 43hrs. A pending checkride. No money. A job at an Internet Service Provider. No money. A job at SW airlines on the ramp one day a week. No money. Big dreams. And no money.



But I'm not about to give up. My old man was miserable his whole life in his job. I won't do that. Not to myself and not to my family. I love to fly. I don't want to do anything else. My wife wants me to fly because she wants me to be happy too. Don't loose heart. Don't give up.






Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
-Sir Winston Churchill
 
Hang in there.

If you want something badly enough then there is always a way. Life is full of trials and tribulations in which nothing will ever be handed to you on a silver platter. . . It is up to you to find a way to make your goals, desires, and wants become a reality.

neva say neva....


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AAflyer writes, I have noticed somehting over the past couple years of your posts, from PFT to airline mergers you have strong opinion about everything. You seem arrogant, and many times down right rude.
 
From 350's sig line ...

AAflyer writes, I have noticed somehting over the past couple years of your posts, from PFT to airline mergers you have strong opinion about everything. You seem arrogant, and many times down right rude.
(Andy Rooney voice) "Dja ever notice ... around here almost any contrary opinion is liable to get the poster an instant 'arrogant' ... 'rude' ... 'moron/maroon' ... 'beginner' ... etc. label?"

Who among us isn't an opinionated, know-it-all, jack-ass at times? The worst offenders being the self-righteous ass-hats always trying to point fingers at others. These guys are a trip.

Minh

BTW ... I'm surprised Tony C. didn't torch him for his spelling, grammar, and punctuation. :D
 
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You may be labeled unless you are "GOD" and flying a 75/76 for AA.... :D

oh yeah, you betta not have been TWA at any point either..!



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AAflyer writes, I have noticed somehting over the past couple years of your posts, from PFT to airline mergers you have strong opinion about everything. You seem arrogant, and many times down right rude.
 
Hang in there,


I have been in the money pit!!!! It sucks, but you will eventually get out of it!!!

Good Luck!!!

Mooser
 
350 ... LMAO!

:D :D :D

Minh
 
Who among us isn't an opinionated, know-it-all, jack-ass at times? The worst offenders being the self-righteous ass-hats always trying to point fingers at others. These guys are a trip.

Minh
the horror...the horror.
 

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