Multiple flame outs in the FL region that day?

[RVATOR]

Heard someone say today that they heard 4 other engines flamed out in the florida region the same day that flops had the beechjet flameout and land in Jacksonville?!! Anyone hear this and can confirm where that info came from? If this is true then there is much much more to this story than we know, remember the last flops beechjet flameout was over the Gulf near florida.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Was he not able to restart the flamed out engine?

 

[gunfyter]

Maybe a disturbance in the Force?

Or flying too close to an Electric A-6?

 

[C425Driver]

It's Bush's fault!

 

[splatt]

Flying without Prist in a Beechjet can ruin your day!

 

[RVATOR]

I understand that the fuel was checked in the aircraft and fuel truck and it all checked as it should. A/C runs just fine with the fuel that was in the plane when it landed quiet. I believe the story to be "core lock" and they were unable to restart either engine. The outside of the engine cooled much quicker than the core and squeezed it so that it would not rotate. Kinda like siezing your dirt bike motor but.....worse.

 

[SabreFlyR]

I understand that the fuel was checked in the aircraft and fuel truck and it all checked as it should. A/C runs just fine with the fuel that was in the plane when it landed quiet. I believe the story to be "core lock" and they were unable to restart either engine. The outside of the engine cooled much quicker than the core and squeezed it so that it would not rotate. Kinda like siezing your dirt bike motor but.....worse.

Actually saw something similar happen in a lear 25 once long ago. First flight after a hot section and it flamed out. If I remember right the repair facility said it was blade stretch and caused the blade tips to contact the case just enough to flame it out.

 

[joepilot111]

That core lock thing...it's what brought down that Pinnicle RJ a while back

 

[laterallymobile]

Anybody know if they had the cowls/anti ice on when the engines flamed out?

 

[Going2Golf]

That core lock thing...it's what brought down that Pinnicle RJ a while back

No. Core lock is what prevented them from restarting the engines after they had flamed out.
Failure to accomplish the memory items for a dual engine failure in a CRJ is also something that prevented the crew from restarting the engines after they failed.

 

[C425Driver]

Anybody know if they had the cowls/anti ice on when the engines flamed out?

I don't know of the cowl a/i system was on or not. The engines flamed out when the plane stalled. There was inadequate airflow due to low airspeed and high AOA at high altitude.

Going2Golf pretty much summed it up. They didn't do the procedures correctly. Not only the memory items but also the QRH procedure too.

It was a totally preventable accident.

C425Driver

 

[laterallymobile]

Have a clue, we are talking about the beechjet not the two guys swaping seats.

 

[Going2Golf]

Have a clue, we are talking about the beechjet not the two guys swaping seats.

I do have a clue and 3000 or so hours in a CRJ as well as some time in a Beechjet.
I know that we are not talking about 2 guys jumping around and goofing off. But the subject of CoreLock came up and someone previously said something along the lines of corelock bringing down a pinacle CRJ. While Corelock may be a factor in not getting the engines started it didnt "bring it down".
I think that the guys in the BeechJet Glider did a fantastic job, I have nothing but respect for them and hope I could do as well put into a similar situation.
One can train for emergencies all they want, but when one happens, one better have good instincts because initially that is all that you will have to go on.

 

[GoingHot]

Is there a NTSB Prelim. report on this yet? (Not the 41 it Dudes - the Beech)? Can't find one. Post the link if you have it. Thanks.

 

[laterallymobile]

Going2golf, that was not directed towards you and I don't care how much time you do or don't have. You need a thicker skin.

As for the rest of your comments they are spot on

 

[Hobbes]

how about?

Has anyone seen the Discovery channel program where they were searching for Flight 19 (I think that is the #) which was a flight of 5 Dauntlesses that got lost and went down at sea. They weren't sure if it went down in the keys or off the coast in the atlantic, but they found a group of them on the seafloor of the east coast of FL. They theorized that large pockets of methane rising out of the seabed and then up into the atmosphere cause their engines to quit. Then they went on to put a radial engine on a test stand and found out that surprisingly small concentrations of methane in the intake air would shut the engine down.

I heard that the report of 3 other engine flameouts (not dual) in the vicinity and timeframe of the Flight Options beechjet came from the FAA when Flight Options called to report the incident. I also read a report that an S 76 lost both engines over the gulf near Texas, on Sunday I think. They ditched and were rescued several hours later, after dark, by the Coast Guard.

What are the odds of 7 turbine engines failing in an area, over water, or near water in two days? I wonder if the engines would have any telltale signs of damage if caused to fail by ingesting air with a disproportionate concentration of methane? Questions I don't know the answer to, but they would be worth investigating I think. Unless of course this is all a big conspiracy to protect the routes over water and coastal areas from being shut down by the government....haha...had to throw in a conspiracy theory.

Kudos to the crew for keeping it together and making the field...and to the controllers involved. Anyone who has DIRECT knowledge of these events please pass along any details to us here!

And lastly, why don't the preliminary details of these incidents appear on the faa.gov preliminary accident and incident data page like all other incidents do? Usually stuff is on there the next day after it happens.