Multiple Aircraft Qualified

[guido411]

How many of you out there are qualified in more than one type of aircraft? How many are you qualified in? How many is too many? How is your pay calculated?

Background: Had one jet and three pilots, all of us paid industry standard. Very happy. Went to two airplanes (the second a single pilot t-prop). Didn't hire but have been using a contractor for 90% of the second airplane's trips. Still pretty happy. Now getting a little resistance about using the contract pilot every chance we get in the second airplane. NOT going to be happy if they expect more work and responsibility for the same money.

Would love to hear from those that fly multiple planes and how their salaries reflect that.

 

[Fly91]

How many of you out there are qualified in more than one type of aircraft? How many are you qualified in? How many is too many? How is your pay calculated?

Background: Had one jet and three pilots, all of us paid industry standard. Very happy. Went to two airplanes (the second a single pilot t-prop). Didn't hire but have been using a contractor for 90% of the second airplane's trips. Still pretty happy. Now getting a little resistance about using the contract pilot every chance we get in the second airplane. NOT going to be happy if they expect more work and responsibility for the same money.

Would love to hear from those that fly multiple planes and how their salaries reflect that.

IF.....all 3 of you stand together and demand more money you should be able to get raises. More work should equal more pay.

What equipment are you operating?



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[peter185]

Too many and pay isn't enough. I think we might have talked about this the other day over a bar bq lunch though. Am I right?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

How many of you out there are qualified in more than one type of aircraft? How many are you qualified in? How many is too many? How is your pay calculated?

Background: Had one jet and three pilots, all of us paid industry standard. Very happy. Went to two airplanes (the second a single pilot t-prop). Didn't hire but have been using a contractor for 90% of the second airplane's trips. Still pretty happy. Now getting a little resistance about using the contract pilot every chance we get in the second airplane. NOT going to be happy if they expect more work and responsibility for the same money.

Would love to hear from those that fly multiple planes and how their salaries reflect that.

too many variables... Is your QOL going down the toilet? staying current on both?

We are dual qualified (Glex/DA900 for example) and it can be quite a challenge to remain current, nevermind proficient. Are sims close to you? We often have to go to get legal. Luckily ours are a fairly short drive away.

Contrary to what others say, I wouldn't suspect you will have much luck on the money issue if you are already paid standard on your jet....especially if he is already balking at contractors (red flag)

Approach it from a CURRENCY and SAFETY aspect. Pilots are great at the big stand united and demand more money on the internet, but their success rate in reality of "pay me more or Im not doing it" is pretty dismal....at very best. I know if I was an owner I'd tell you to pack your bags with that attitude.

If its a pretty good job - the goal is to win, not get fired.

Good Luck.

 

[Fly91]

I know if I was an owner I'd tell you to pack your bags with that attitude.

And you'd be sitting on your azz not doing any flying if you canned all your pilots. Then interviewing new ones, training them and hoping they don't see whats going on and ask for more money then offered. Thats called "down time" not good for a company that needs to fly. Go in there by yourself and they may just tell you to pack your bags, individually. Any company buying a new turbo-prop and flying the hell out of it is not in financial trouble, they have the money to give their current pilots a small raise or hire another full-time pilot for the 3rd plane.

And before you start throwing words around and changing the entire subject, it can be done professionally and properly like pilots have to do every day somewhere.


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[NCherches]

My thoughts are no matter how bad your flying job is hold on to it and be thankful to have a job... there are hundreds if not thousands that are, or are soon to be looking for YOUR flying job!

 

[Fly91]

My thoughts are no matter how bad your flying job is hold on to it and be thankful to have a job... there are hundreds if not thousands that are, or are soon to be looking for YOUR flying job!

Can't argue with that especially these days.

 

[guido411]

Too many and pay isn't enough. I think we might have talked about this the other day over a bar bq lunch though. Am I right?

I believe we did, thanks for the lift!

too many variables... Is your QOL going down the toilet? staying current on both?

We are dual qualified (Glex/DA900 for example) and it can be quite a challenge to remain current, nevermind proficient. Are sims close to you? We often have to go to get legal. Luckily ours are a fairly short drive away.

My QOL right now is fantastic. Staying current is not a problem. We basically added another 5 days away for recurrent training to everbody's schedule for the year. I'm fairly happy with what I'm paid to fly the jet we have and I've only been flying the t-prop once per month. I had been operating under the guidance of "use the contract guy 4-6 times a month". I was using him on whatever days I felt like, no explainations required. Yesterday I used the contract guy and had to explain myself as to why I didn't fly the trip.

At the end of the day nothing changed, I still have permission to use the guy but I'm afraid once we slow down in the fall and we have one of our pilots back (he is on leave til the end of the month) that I will start seeing more resistance.

I know very few CEOs that would promote/add more work/add more responsibility/etc, to a normal worker and not pay him more. Just gathering data at this point in case we have to wave goodbye to the contractor. If this happens I know a "meeting" will be imminent. So again, does anybody have any info on how their pay went up by adding an airplane? The salary studies don't seem to do a very good job of addressing this so I'm looking for some real world info. Thanks to all.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

And you'd be sitting on your azz not doing any flying if you canned all your pilots. Then interviewing new ones, training them and hoping they don't see whats going on and ask for more money then offered.

and they do it everyday.

please - go to your boss and do your "more work, give me more pay"...its kind like your "sit down and shut up, Im PIC"

let us know how that works?....it usually sounds a lot tougher on the internet. Remember, you are super pilot, you are irreplaceable. I have never met a billionaire, CEO, CFO, DO, or ratty management company that gave in to the "demand for more money" as you put it. Change job titles? Have another real offer? etc...sure...but "stand united and demand?" - c'mon, I understand this is Flightinfo..but thats nearly laughable!

If the guy wont pay contract workers or hire additional pilots, what are the chances of him agreeing just to give you raises? - Cant hurt to ask I suppose? I'd be more worried about having to now justify why you wont work more.

As far as currency, its not just about FSI every 6 months....are you staying 90 day current as PIC?

What kind of money and QOL are we talking here? You already making 200K and now have to work another day or 2?...or are we talking making 85k and getting worked much harder?

Your profile nor posts give any guidance on where you are coming from.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Where I am at we have three aircraft. All three are separate types. Per our (self-imposed, as we are part 91) OM we can only be current in two, even though we all know that there isn't much to the Citation 550. Still, rules are rules, and this is done strictly for safety (soon to undergo IS-BAO certification).

As for the pay, we are compensated above industry average (according to the ProPilot salary survey) of the highest of the three we have.

Our "target" duty is 18-days a month. This seldom happens since we hardly ever fly weekends or holidays. 3 a/c, 7 pilots (including the boss). We don't use contract pilots.

How many of you out there are qualified in more than one type of aircraft? How many are you qualified in? How many is too many? How is your pay calculated?

Background: Had one jet and three pilots, all of us paid industry standard. Very happy. Went to two airplanes (the second a single pilot t-prop). Didn't hire but have been using a contractor for 90% of the second airplane's trips. Still pretty happy. Now getting a little resistance about using the contract pilot every chance we get in the second airplane. NOT going to be happy if they expect more work and responsibility for the same money.

Would love to hear from those that fly multiple planes and how their salaries reflect that.