Multiple Aircraft Qualified

[Fly91]

So again, does anybody out there operating two or more airplanes have any policies in place to add compensation when a pilot becomes qual'd on another plane?

In your case, if the aircraft are all about the same category salary-wise than you need to be paid according to how much you work. Its that simple. Now you can do what you want and ask for more money by yourself, but in my opinion that is not the way to do it. If they say no then you will let everyone else know that they said no and it will end there. If all of you say the extra flying warrants more money, you will all be more likely to get it and noone will look like the greedy pilot. Everyone that has more work to do should ask for more money. Every other occupation on earth works like that, and so does aviation. If an airline pilot was asked to move from the 757 to the 747, he would get more money. If an airline pilot was asked to fly a bid line that has more hours, they get more money. If an airline pilot is asked to fly a bid line that has him away from home more that month, he gets more money. And so on and so on...............

By the way, do you have a contract of any kind?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Post which company you fly for and tell me the chief pilots name.....then I'll do the same. Only morons post detailed info about their jobs on the intraweb.

"Its that simple. Now you can do what you want and ask for more money by yourself, but in my opinion that is not the way to do it. If they say no then you will let everyone else know that they said no and it will end there."


.............say again??

My employer and job title are REAL easy to figure out here. Its no secret from the link below or my profile.

You have little credibility until you can do similar.

"Learjet to 747 and a lot in between", no location, a few posts on FI.com about how far above average you are paid, your 3 jobs in the last few years, and your demanding attitude....well, it dosen't dont go very far outside the "intranet world"

You should have no worries if you work for a good employer and are not talking trash. You claim both of these are true.

Accountability has always been FI.coms downfall.....why not help put an end to that and make it a valuable corporate aviation resource?

What are you hiding from?

 

[54fighting]

IF.....all 3 of you stand together and demand more money you should be able to get raises. More work should equal more pay.

What equipment are you operating?

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I would definitely not take this approach. It will land your a$$ on the street. No one on this board or in any corporate aviation department is bigger than the department. It will go on without you.

I am not going to rehash what G200 posted but if it were me, I would re-read what he has to say, he usually has some pretty good advice. He has helped me out quite a bit in the past. Some people may not like what he has to say, perhaps because he does not sugarcoat anything. He is a straight shooter.

 

[Fly91]

"Its that simple. Now you can do what you want and ask for more money by yourself, but in my opinion that is not the way to do it. If they say no then you will let everyone else know that they said no and it will end there."


.............say again??

My employer and job title are REAL easy to figure out here. Its no secret from the link below or my profile.

You have little credibility until you can do similar.

"Learjet to 747 and a lot in between", no location, a few posts on FI.com about how far above average you are paid, your 3 jobs in the last few years, and your demanding attitude....well, it dosen't dont go very far outside the "intranet world"

You should have no worries if you work for a good employer and are not talking trash. You claim both of these are true.

Accountability has always been FI.coms downfall.....why not help put an end to that and make it a valuable corporate aviation resource?

What are you hiding from?

I will never post where I work on the internet, simply because its the internet.

So, what would you actually do if your boss said you will be getting checked out on an additional airplane and you will be flying 7 more days a month on average?????

Would you want a raise? Or would you just do nothing?

And when I was asked what salary I was looking for I made it real simple and fair. I took the average of the medium pay and the high pay from AvCrews 2007 salary survey and added 2% because we are halfway through 2008.

Gotta leave, be back in a few hours.


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[400A]

I will never post where I work on the internet, simply because its the internet.

So, what would you actually do if your boss said you will be getting checked out on an additional airplane and you will be flying 7 more days a month on average?????

Would you want a raise? Or would you just do nothing?

And when I was asked what salary I was looking for I made it real simple and fair. I took the average of the medium pay and the high pay from AvCrews 2007 salary survey and added 2% because we are halfway through 2008.

Gotta leave, be back in a few hours.


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The problem is that you answered the question before you new all of the facts. You seem to like to pound on your chest a lot.

It sounds like a good gig. If the new airplane still keeps him less than 15 days per month I would not be to aggressive. This is more than likely something I might make as a proposal at my next budget meeting. I would not go pound on my chest as a group of three (acting like a union) and demand more money. Most CEO's who work endless hours or even CFO's like ours who work 50-60 hours per week will not be very sympathetic to your plight. Most of them also know how many pilots are on the street and that you can be replaced VERY quickly. I dont care what kind of aircraft you fly, someone is ready and willing to fly it tomorrow. Show them multiple options. A Budget with more pay per pilot or a dedicated budget for contract pilots. If he is Chief Pilot, he also needs to make the Boss understand how much more work managing the 2nd aircraft requires and that he might not be able to carry his/her full flight load. All needs to be done tactfully and professionally.

Times are getting tough, if he has a flight department in expansion mode, I might be a good team player (if I am not getting abused) and enjoy the ride. Many departments are going the other way. If changing from 10 days per month to 12 days per month makes me more secure, sign me up.

Just food for thought.

 

[Fly91]

The problem is that you answered the question before you new all of the facts. You seem to like to pound on your chest a lot.

It sounds like a good gig. If the new airplane still keeps him less than 15 days per month I would not be to aggressive. This is more than likely something I might make as a proposal at my next budget meeting. I would not go pound on my chest as a group of three (acting like a union) and demand more money. Most CEO's who work endless hours or even CFO's like ours who work 50-60 hours per week will not be very sympathetic to your plight. Most of them also know how many pilots are on the street and that you can be replaced VERY quickly. I dont care what kind of aircraft you fly, someone is ready and willing to fly it tomorrow. Show them multiple options. A Budget with more pay per pilot or a dedicated budget for contract pilots. If he is Chief Pilot, he also needs to make the Boss understand how much more work managing the 2nd aircraft requires and that he might not be able to carry his/her full flight load. All needs to be done tactfully and professionally.

Times are getting tough, if he has a flight department in expansion mode, I might be a good team player (if I am not getting abused) and enjoy the ride. Many departments are going the other way. If changing from 10 days per month to 12 days per month makes me more secure, sign me up.

Just food for thought.

I agree with that completely.

I would do nothing if we went from our now ~10 days a month to even 14-15 days. For the money they're already paying I'd be an idiot to say one word. But if it went to flying close to ~20 days a month, thats a big difference, double. But in our case, this is exactly why I'm cleared to hire another captain when I want to, if things do get busier. You now as well as I do, some flight department just do things right.

Yes, unfortunately flight departments are the first things to go in rough financial times.

 

[400A]

I agree with that completely.

I would do nothing if we went from our now ~10 days a month to even 14-15 days. For the money they're already paying I'd be an idiot to say one word. But if it went to flying close to ~20 days a month, thats a big difference, double. But in our case, this is exactly why I'm cleared to hire another captain when I want to, if things do get busier. You now as well as I do, some flight department just do things right.

Yes, unfortunately flight departments are the first things to go in rough financial times.

Agreed!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Yes, unfortunately flight departments are the first things to go in rough financial times.

We are going into year 2 of a "recession" according to many....how many departments have shut down?

Nothing is stable in aviation - I think we all know this...but your statement has really not held true over the last 10-20 years in corporate aviation.

Are they going to take the airlines all over the world to drum up money?

"Rich" owner single airplane, mostly domestic.....OK I might worry a bit when times get tough...but flight departments shutting down left and right? - Nah. Not unless the company is folding up, merging, or "spinning off". Those are red flas (Of course!)

People still have to get around, even more and further these days..and you wont atract any decent talent with First Class airline tickets and wasted time on the road.

 

[jet2work]

<<I know very few CEOs that would promote/add more work/add more responsibility/etc, to a normal worker and not pay him more. >>


Please don't take this the wrong way. I think that you failed to read between the lines.

If money were NO object, you wouldn't be flying a single pilot turboprop.

If money were NO object, your boss wouldn't be asking you why you paid EXTRA money to use a temp guy when you guys are only flying 10 days a month.

Trust me! Money is definitely the object here (for your boss). Otherwise you would be flying two pilots and have added the contract guy already. Sadly, I think that you might just have to suck this one up until market conditions improve for you. If you go in demanding more money, and your boss blows a gasket, you will find your two buddies denying that they ever even knew you.

Take it or leave it.... Good luck.