Multiengine Seaplane Training?

[BSeals71]

Does anybody know where I could get a multiengine seaplane rating? I’m possibly looking into doing this as an ATP check-ride if works out, if not no big deal.
I have my commercial multiengine land and single engine seaplane.
So assuming it would just be a multiengine add-on. (Feel free to PM me)
Any thoughts? Thanks…

 

[Big Dog]

KX47, Flager Co, Bunnell, FL Guy named Skip does them in a twin See-Bee.

 

[BSeals71]

Thanks...

 

[A Squared]

KX47, Flager Co, Bunnell, FL Guy named Skip does them in a twin See-Bee.

Yep, that's where I did mine a few years back

 

[BSeals71]

Yep, that's where I did mine a few years back

Do you know if I do my ATP check-ride in a multiengine sea airplane would it carry over to my multiengine land? I also have a commercial Type (CL-65). I’m assuming so, because the check-rides are to ATP standards.

 

[A Squared]

Do you know if I do my ATP check-ride in a multiengine sea airplane would it carry over to my multiengine land? I also have a commercial Type (CL-65). I’m assuming so, because the check-rides are to ATP standards.

I dunno. I suspct not as it's a checkride in a different class rating, and the outcome shouldn't affect a rating in a different class. However, you *might* be able to work something where you're taking a checkride for both MEL, MES priveliges, as the Twin Bee is an amphibian, and is both a seaplane and a landplane.

IOW, taking an MES ATP ride won't affect your MEL ticket, but you may be able to take both a MEL and MES atp ride at the same time, if you follow the distinctin I'm making.

Anyway, probably a better source of information would be the school you choose. I'm sure you're noth te first one to have thins question, so they will probably have a more certain answer for you.

 

[BSeals71]

I dunno. I suspct not as it's a checkride in a different class rating, and the outcome shouldn't affect a rating in a different class. However, you *might* be able to work something where you're taking a checkride for both MEL, MES priveliges, as the Twin Bee is an amphibian, and is both a seaplane and a landplane.

IOW, taking an MES ATP ride won't affect your MEL ticket, but you may be able to take both a MEL and MES atp ride at the same time, if you follow the distinctin I'm making.

Anyway, probably a better source of information would be the school you choose. I'm sure you're noth te first one to have thins question, so they will probably have a more certain answer for you.

Your right… I’ll check into it.
Thanks for the input

 

[A Squared]

OK, I did a little digging. You can get both the MEL and MES ATP at the same time.


Here's the contact Info for the outfit with the Twin-bee:

SPS Palm Coast, Inc.
P.O. Box 521
Flagler Beach, FL 32136
Contact: Skip Neidhardt, President/Owner; 800/541-6923 (tel), 386/437-7238 (tel)
Email: [email protected]
Hourly Rates Dual Solo
UC-1 Twin Bee amphib $350 N/A
Comments:
Rating revalidation. Tailwheel training. Located on Gore Lake on the Flagler County Airport. Examiner on premises. Specializes in SES & MES ATP's. All other ratings available. Docking, mooring and beaching available.
Last Updated 12/9/2005

Now, the Examiner will probably be Tripp Whacker of Ryan Aviation

www.ryanseaplanes.com

Ryan Aviation is closely aligned with SPS. They work out of the same hangar. On Ryan's website they offer the combined MES/MEL ATP.

http://www.ryanseaplanes.com/combin.htm

 

[cezzna]

Check out the seaplane pilot association website. It has a list of all schools by states which do single or multi seaplane ratings. Every state that has seaplane schools is highlighted on a map. Great resource, shows cost breakdowns and time to acquire, contact info, etc. Everything you need is there.

 

[BSeals71]

Check out the seaplane pilot association website. It has a list of all schools by states which do single or multi seaplane ratings. Every state that has seaplane schools is highlighted on a map. Great resource, shows cost breakdowns and time to acquire, contact info, etc. Everything you need is there.

I just check it out. That’s a great website… I’ll keep it in mind.

 

[fokkerjet]

I used Jack Brown's Seaplane Base last year; Twin Bee was a little expensive but the whole rating was cheaper than my SES. Brown's is family run and very nice people to work with:beer:

 

[NW_Pilot]

I used Jack Brown's Seaplane Base last year; Twin Bee was a little expensive but the whole rating was cheaper than my SES. Brown's is family run and very nice people to work with:beer:

Independent Business are the only ones to deal with!

 

[CSY Mon]

Got my MES on a Twin-Bee 26 years ago. The price back then was around $115.00 per hour if mem serves right.

Did not really enjoy that airplane..Unstable on wheels and in the air.

Good investment getting the ticket however: 6 months later I was vacationing in STX and walked down to the waterfront admiring a DHC-6-300 on floats..Asked the ticket guy if they needed pilots? He said yes they did, but nobody had a rating for twin engine seaplanes, so they had a hard time filling the seat.

Told him I had such a ticket in my back pocket..He then grabbed my arm and held on to me while he called the boss man...Needless to say I got hired on the spot.

Good turbine/twin/sea experience...On of the best, most fun jobs I ever had, but it lasted only 6 months, then company folded..Sea-Jet (Lewis Airlines) RIP.

 

[BSeals71]

UC-1 Twin Bee vs. Grumman Widgeon

(Twin-Bee) Did not really enjoy that airplane..Unstable on wheels and in the air.

Good investment getting the ticket however: 6 months later I was vacationing in STX and walked down to the waterfront admiring a DHC-6-300 on floats..Asked the ticket guy if they needed pilots? He said yes they did, but nobody had a rating for twin engine seaplanes, so they had a hard time filling the seat.

Told him I had such a ticket in my back pocket..He then grabbed my arm and held on to me while he called the boss man...Needless to say I got hired on the spot. quote]

UC-1 Twin Bee vs. Grumman Widgeon

Too bad they folded… that sounds like a fun gig.

Like I said I haven’t flown a multiengine seaplane but, personally I think I’d like the Widgeon better than the Twin Bee. It just looks like a better-built airplane.
What are your guys thoughts / recommendations?

 

[ROSWELL41]

Anyone know of anyplace that will do an ATP MEL and MES combined rating?

 

[Chairman]

Is there really any advantage having a MES ATP vs Comm MES if you don't have much float time?

 

[A Squared]

Is there really any advantage having a MES ATP vs Comm MES if you don't have much float time?

Well, you couldn't be a 121 captain with a CPL (Think CHalks) I'm not too swift on 135 regs, but I think you'd need the ATP to be PIC on a twin otter also, at least pax carrying. If you're gonna do the checkride, might as well do the ATP ride.

 

[A Squared]

Anyone know of anyplace that will do an ATP MEL and MES combined rating?

Did you happen to read the thread?

 

[LivestockTony]

Chalks is defunct, certificate was revoked in 2007. I think Seaborne is the last US 121 MES operator, but I sure could be wrong. PennAir's Gooses (geese?) are on the 135 cert.

Borek wants an ICAO ATP with a float rating for their maldive DHC-6 captains.

If for some reason it was cheaper to take a C-MES only*, and you were hired as a street captain to be a 121 pic, couldn't you do the atp ride concurrent with the .424 ride? Or is that only allowed when a type is being added at the same time? Just curious..

-TF

*- If nothing else, when I got my C-MES I was paying $350/hr (iirc) for the airplane and the comm. upgrade checkride is shorter than the atp since there's no approaches... but at the time I didn't have the hours for an atp anyways.

 

[A Squared]

Chalks is defunct, certificate was revoked in 2007.

Yeah, I mentioned that more as a "for example"

If for some reason it was cheaper to take a C-MES only*, and you were hired as a street captain to be a 121 pic, couldn't you do the atp ride concurrent with the .424 ride? Or is that only allowed when a type is being added at the same time?

FWIW, we're talking fairly unlikely scenarios, including my previous post. If, like Chairman said, you have little float time, you're probably a long way from a PIC job in any seaplane operation that would otherwise require an ATP. That said, you *could* get an ATP on a captain's ride, but the person administering the ride would have to be an examiner with the requisite authorizations.


How's the C-46 treating you? More fun that the middle seat of a 6?