Multi-time

[TS6M]

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[BoDEAN]

Heard a couple people who fly out of Arlington (Multi Engine Instruction) I think is the name of the place....

 

[Superpilot92]

Is There Anyone In The Dallas/fort Worth Area Wanting To Split Multi-time?

I might know some people who would split time in the Waco area. How much are you looking at?

 

[mattpilot]

what exactly is time splitting?

Is it 2 or more people renting the same aircraft or is it 2 people in an aircraft taking turns in who gets to fly... or what?

 

[Superpilot92]

what exactly is time splitting?

Is it 2 or more people renting the same aircraft or is it 2 people in an aircraft taking turns in who gets to fly... or what?

Splitting time is where you get two people together to split the cost while one acts as a safety pilot for shooting approaches to better your skills while building multi time.

 

[mmmdonut]

Ohhh so basically it's lying.

 

[Superpilot92]

Ohhh so basically it's lying.

Its not lying. One MEI instructing another Multi engine pilot thats under the hood. Even 2 MEIs working towards ATP always one is under the hood.

 

[mattpilot]

uhmm.. for such a setup you wouldn't even have to have a MEI.


The Fars require 2 pilots to be on board the aircraft if doing Simulated instrument approaches. The flying pilot can legally log PIC since he is manipulating the controls and the Safety pilot can log PIC if he is the designated PIC (meaning he has legal responsibility).

Its all a matter of how you twist it - As long as you can explain it to the FAA & to the potential employers, you are good to go

 

[Superpilot92]

uhmm.. for such a setup you wouldn't even have to have a MEI.


The Fars require 2 pilots to be on board the aircraft if doing Simulated instrument approaches. The flying pilot can legally log PIC since he is manipulating the controls and the Safety pilot can log PIC if he is the designated PIC (meaning he has legal responsibility).

Its all a matter of how you twist it - As long as you can explain it to the FAA & to the potential employers, you are good to go

If i am going to pay for any flying now that i am instructing, I am definitly doing simulated Instrument approaches. Any practice you can get shooting approaches in a complex aircraft is always going to be benefitial to your skill level. Always work towards bettering your IFR skills while building twin time. It doesnt matter how much twin time your log book says if you suck so make it count. fly safe.

 

[minitour]

Ohhh so basically it's lying.

So following the regs is lying...

So I should start burning my logbook now, or should I piss on it first? Afterall...I've been lying.

 

[Superpilot92]

Where I work we are allowed free multi-time in the seminole depending on the amount of hours we work with our students, so when we use our free time we always go up with another one of the instructors and practise our instrument skills. One as a safety pilot one as the person flying. This is also good because that allows us to technically get double the free multi time. FREE is always good. The harder we work the more multi time we build cant beat that. Besides its fun to go out and shoot approaches and test your skills.

 

[Vik]

mmmdonut is right .. its lying.

I've seen many logbooks of CFIs ready to go to the airlines .. you got 100hrs PIC? wow .. you split it with another CFI? Flew from Las Vegas to Portland?

... both of you logged time? Oh great. So one of you was always under the hood?

Thats where it breaks down b/c usually guys splitting time, dont have the hood on during the enroute portion and break the regs by logging almost the entire flight.

 

[Vik]

I want to add that not everyone is a liar, but a lot of people bend the regs by saying .. "how much better of an instrument pilot am I going to be with the hood on during enroute? I might as well enjoy the scenery"

 

[mattpilot]

uhm... is anyone here completely clean?

 

[minitour]

mmmdonut is right .. its lying.

I've seen many logbooks of CFIs ready to go to the airlines .. you got 100hrs PIC? wow .. you split it with another CFI? Flew from Las Vegas to Portland?

... both of you logged time? Oh great. So one of you was always under the hood?

Thats where it breaks down b/c usually guys splitting time, dont have the hood on during the enroute portion and break the regs by logging almost the entire flight.

yeah, in that specific situation it is lying...

If one has the hood on it's perfectly legal...

Now for your other comment about "might as well enjoy the scenery"...my -II tried that with me during the instrument training.

The old, "oh you don't need the foggles, just keep up your scan."

I really didn't see the point of that, so I just said, "no thanks, I need the practice" and put them on. I probably should have said something to the chief pilot, but being a new student, I didn't know if all students are trained that way or not...so I kept it shut.

-mini

 

[TS6M]

Didn't mean to open a can of worms superpilot92, wonder were/how all the other guys got there multi time??? I would like to know!!! Just trying to get some time...

 

[Superpilot92]

Didn't mean to open a can of worms superpilot92, wonder were/how all the other guys got there multi time??? I would like to know!!! Just trying to get some time...

Its not a can of worms. If you look at my post before i said go up and shoot practiise approaches with someone else to split the cost. Perfectly legal. I do not agree however about going on a cross country to LA to new york to build the time. That is bending it. Unless one is under the hood all the time. Unlikely. However go up with someone else and REALLY PRACTISE. Like i said before if you are going to spend hard earned cash on flying you might as well be practicing. To each his own. Keep it clean and follow the regs you will be fine. CYA

 

[Vik]

I think your CFII was just being nice and letting you not wear the hood during the enroute phase. Keeping up your scan in cruise, following victor airways is not rocket science and wearing the hood won't improve your instrument skills a whole lot.

Most CFIIs let their students do that. I'm glad you kept it shut. It isn't a huge deal.

yeah, in that specific situation it is lying...

If one has the hood on it's perfectly legal...

Now for your other comment about "might as well enjoy the scenery"...my -II tried that with me during the instrument training.

The old, "oh you don't need the foggles, just keep up your scan."

I really didn't see the point of that, so I just said, "no thanks, I need the practice" and put them on. I probably should have said something to the chief pilot, but being a new student, I didn't know if all students are trained that way or not...so I kept it shut.

-mini

 

[Jump Pilot]

One time, on a practice approach, I peeked out from underneath the foggels.

I feel better now.

 

[Goose Egg]

Mullet time? I'm proud to say that I have zero.

-Goose