Multi Time in a Sim

[Caveman]

5 minutes earlier and I woulda had ya.......

 

[NWA-AirGuard]

I log sim time in total time because part 61.51(b)(1)(ii) says to "log total flight time or lesson time." Just because the log book says "total time" doesn't mean that part 61.51 says its for "total flight time." Also, part 61.1(b)(12) says:
Pilot time means that time in which a person-
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.

One aspect no one has talked about is "other time" (a term the air force uses) or when you have more pilots on board than required (i.e. long international flights). I have a lot of flights in the E-3 and the KC-135 that there were 3 or more pilots. So for part of the flight I wasn't in a pilot seat and thus logged "other time" for that part of the flight. I put the total duration of the flight in the total time column and only the time I was in one of the pilot seats (primary and secondary time) in the multi-engine column. To get my total pilot time for an airline interview I add up my SE and ME time. Kind of like I can't look at my PIC column and use all of that time for most airlines applications PIC time. Only time I "signed for the aircraft". In others words your log book isn't solely for an job interview, but also for currency and training for ratings.

 

[MartinFierro]

I am rusty on my regs in this area, but what about simulated instrument time? Can't you do 6 approaches in an FTD and count them all toward your IFR currency? I think I remember reading this. And if this is the case, wouldn't that suggest that it is loggable time as simulated instrument time?

 

[skydiverdriver]

I have an older logbook, and the total time column says total flight time. I have never logged any sim, no matter how sophisticated, as total time. All of my total time is in flight in an aircraft, which I think makes it far simpler. I think doing it another way may cause problems in the future. Good luck to all.

 

[bobbysamd]

Approaches in the sim

Sure, you can count your approaches in the sim for IFR currency. You only need three hours of instrument time in aircraft for currency if passengers are to be carried. 14 CFR 61.57(c)(2)(ii). The other three hours can be in the ground trainer.

But, it is still ground trainer time and in my .02 opinion should be kept out of your flight time column. Log it as simulator or ground trainer.

 

[172driver]

Nobody cares where you log anything as long as it's correct on your resume, application, or 8710. I've not heard of any employers who ask for TT in planes and sims. They only want to know how much you've flown the plane. Same with the FAA. They separate the sim/FTD and flight time on the 8710.

I only log flight time as TT because it's easier to fill out the paperwork that way, but if you want to log everything in the TT column and subtract it out later, that's fine too. Same goes for the dual received column.

I also keep track of dual given in sims, but in a separate logbook. I don't think anybody will ever ask or care about it but it makes me feel like those hrs are not going to waste. If you log it in your primary logbook, you run into the same issue. It will have to be subtracted later when somebody wants to know how much dual given in airplanes you have.