Multi instrument and single instrument

[asolo]

If someone passes a multi-engine checkride, do they automatically have single engine privilages or do they also have to do a single engine checkride as well? Thanks!

 

[Alltheway]

there is only one inst rating, however if you want to exercise instrument privileges you must demonstright that for, ex single eng app in a multi

 

[asolo]

So, I take it that your answer says that after someone has completed their multi-inst checkride that they can't fly a single legally in IMC, IFR flight plan, etc? They would have to do a single-inst checkride correct?

 

[Alltheway]

yes they are good to go as long as the inst part on the check ride was completed, and to carry passengers with 90 days you need 3 landings in a multi


but again there is only ONE inst rating being a sel or a mel, it would be a vfr only if a se app was not completed on the check ride. Like getting your multi rating in a Skymaster you are multi rated but only for centerline thrust aircraft

 

[minitour]

I've got a student about to finish up his Private MEL and Instrument ratings.

He decided to do both in the Duchess, so he'll take both checkrides at once since the DPE agreed.

When he successfully completes both checkrides (as I understand it, one flight/oral but two 8710s), his certificate will say:

PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE AND MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE

No further limitations to CLT or VFR only. If he doinks part of the "multi ride" like doing the Vmc demo or engine failures, etc. he won't even get to the "instrument part" of the ride such as approaches and holds. However, if he completes that and does not successfully complete the instrument portion he will be limited to VFR only for Single and Multiengine airplanes.

Only one instrument rating, the kicker is the SE approach in the twin. According to the DPE that did my CMEL, that's why they limit you to VFR only for twins if you don't do the approaches. Doing a two (or three, four, eight, fifty, etc.) engine approach is like doing an approach in a single except at higher (usually) speeds and more levers to play with...with the SE approach you've got the assymetrical thrust thing to deal with.

-mini

 

[twighead]

the simple answer is yes. you are qualified for both single and multi if you do your instrument rating in a multi.

if the situation were reversed (meaning you do your instrument checkride in a single) then you are not qualified to fly instrument in a multi untill you have completed the single engine approach (multiengine simulating 1 engine inop)tasks from the PTS with an examiner.

 

[midlifeflyer]

the simple answer is yes. you are qualified for both single and multi if you do your instrument rating in a multi.

if the situation were reversed (meaning you do your instrument checkride in a single) then you are not qualified to fly instrument in a multi until you have completed the single engine approach (multiengine simulating 1 engine inop)tasks from the PTS with an examiner.

Sometimes the simple answer is best. This is exactly right.

The reason even makes sense: Even though the instrument rating is category, not class, specific. There is something about a multi that makes it different than flying a single - the way the airplane handles when one engine, especially the critical engine, is out. If you get your instrument rating in a multi, you have done every PTS tasks that is there for a single or a multi; if you get it in a single, there's something important that you have not been tested on. So there will be a VFR-only restriction for multis printed right on the back of your pilot certificate under "Limitations."