Multi-engine Time Building (Walkwitz Aviation)

[BYUFlyr]

Has anyone had experience with Walkwitz Aviation? It seems too cheap to be true. I need to build multi time. I have my MEI checkride in a couple of weeks, but I'm not counting on getting students anytime soon, so I need a cheap way to build time.

 

[OMNIDC10FO]

I think I heard of this place. Remember someone saying that they have low prices because they put 4 people in a plane and have every one log it as total time. They have an ATP pilot rent (sign for) the aircraft, then the CFI sits in the back seat and gives instruction to the sole manipulator of the controls who is under the hood and sitting next the guy acting as the safety pilot. See, all perfectly legal!

 

[BYUFlyr]

I think I heard of this place. Remember someone saying that they have low prices because they put 4 people in a plane and have every one log it as total time. They have an ATP pilot rent (sign for) the aircraft, then the CFI sits in the back seat and gives instruction to the sole manipulator of the controls who is under the hood and sitting next the guy acting as the safety pilot. See, all perfectly legal!

You're kidding... right?

 

[OMNIDC10FO]

actually, I'm not. But I won't say that I'm sure it's the same company. Just remember being in the same boat needing multi - time and the name rings a bell and there was a company doing that. My point is due diligence. Any deal you get, investigate it, get it in writing, and never pay in advance. google airman flight school to view some cheap flying horror stories. good luck.

 

[BYUFlyr]

Thanks

 

[Doozer]

Don't know if it's the same outfit; however, if it's in Ocala, FL and run by a guy named Ray Walkwitz, I'd be careful.

I used that outfit in 1991 when I was on my way out of the military and trying to amass all the civilian ratings I could.

My goals at the time didn't include building multi-engine time, but their multi-engine availability was poor then (they had, as I recall, 2 Apaches and a C-310).

My advice would be for you to get your agreement with this outfit in writing and not to pay for more than block time up front.

 

[nosehair]

See, all perfectly legal!

You're saying that with your tounge crammed totally into your cheek, right?

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

There is a place in Ft. Peirce FL that offers 50 & 100 Hour time building packages. For the 100 hr it is about $8000. They have about 12 BE-76 that are alright for 20 year old planes. But remember if its too good to be true it usually isn't. There is always a catch. At this place you must buy fuel there if you buy it anywhere else they only give you $1.50 a gallon back.

http://www.aribenaviator.com/

 

[Mr Wu]

There is some pipeline crowd in texas that has you fly pipeline patrol in a semenhole, 100hrs for $2500. Don't know their name and it's suspiciously close to PFT.

 

[rpatte1637]

If anyone knows the name of this pipeline patrol company in Texas, please let me know. $25.00 an hour for 100 hours of multi time, PFT or not, is good when you only have around 25 hour in a Duchess. I have near 450 hour TT but need the multi to meet most freight pilot positions. Contact [email protected] if you can help.

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

What is PFT?

 

[rpatte1637]

PFT is, paid flight training, where you work for a company either for a minimum salary or as a volunteer to build flight time and experience, in turn you pay a lower rate for the rental of the aircraft. I.E. - the Duchess I was flying in Atlanta was $190.00 per hour plus $40.00 for the instructor. PFT would mean you are basically renting the plane from the pipeline patrol company for $2,500 for a 100 hour block ($25.00 per hour) and gaining work experience at the same time. Several people seem to think that this is bad, but to me it make perfect sense, 100 hours at $230.00 (plane and instructor) equal $23,000 at the flight school, or 100 hours for $2,500 at the pipeline patrol company.

 

[wudalmstfly4fre]

O.k. I bought a time building package of a 100 hrs in a Duchess cost alot more than that and all we did was fly around and try to burn it up ASAP. Wish I would have known about that before hand. Where can you get information on doing that. It sounds like it would be alot better than what I did, at least you would feel like you had a purpose or were doing something.

 

[rpatte1637]

I did a couple of searches on here with no results, then did one on Yahoo (Pipeline patrol PFT program) and came up with a couple of hits. One was for a company in texas that flies inspection on oil riggs, price was $45/hr (100 hour blocks) or $50/hour (50 hour block). Also found hits for threads here for Jan 2006 and early for PFT programs. One of interest to me was from mtsu av8er in Jan 2006, he says he will allow pilots to fly with him in real world ops at $15/hr SEL and $20/hr MEL. I am like you and need the time, real world flight in actual IFR makes a whole lot more sense than just renting the plane and flying 100 miles, landing and returning. I sent him a e-mail yesterday expressing interest, will post later if I find out more.

 

[SinglePliot135]

The clock on the flame time-bomb is ticking here... beware! I think some people here just search for "PFT"
BTW check out central air southwest out of MKC for multi time.. $35 an hour I think. I worked there, seems like an ok deal if you're paying for time.