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[stardog]

This is a hell of alot less nerve racking maneuver than power on stalls in the Seminole and the student applying inappropriate aileron input as a wings drops.....

You practice power-on FULL stalls with one engine inop? Mommy!

 

[Wiggums]

No, a power on stall with both engines running can be pretty exciting depending on the student's recovery method.

 

[JediNein]

Hmmm, well I have polished my technique on recovery from inverted flat spins with recovery on a heading +/- 5 degrees...

But that Army study on single-engine stalls in the Baron is sobering. When I find the study online, I'll post it. The study essentially stated that in a single-engine stall, the pilot had one second to get the power off the working engine in the Baron or the spin that resulted was not recoverable.

How would the Seminole/Duchess T-tail affect the stall/spin recovery? Can that nose be pitched down?

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[CRJ puppy]

Good LORD!

I didn't mean to imply practicing power-on stalls in the Seminole with one engine inop!!

They are FAR too exciting when you have both engines at reduced thrust (18", high RPM) the student pitches up and close to the buffet, the plane drops a wing and the student "SNAPS" in opposite aileron! Although I can report that the Seminole recovers nicely from the incipient stage of a spin...though having the right wing tip pointing directly to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean WAS a special experience!

Ever seen the Pope kiss the ground after he deplanes? I wanted to do it that day but thought it might alarm the student....

God, do I miss flight instructing!!

 

[IP076]

Power-On SE Stalls

Don't know what and where you guys fly, but it seems to me that I do Power On Single Engine Stalls daily in the Seminole. Its called a VMC Demo at 4000' AGL when the ground is 5000' MSL. The Seminole always stalls first at these altitudes.

This manuever isn't always finished with the "recover & climb away". Most of the time if this were to happen at my airport, it would be the "recover, and land with airplane control and wings level" instead of cartwheeling down the highway after hitting the ground in a VMC roll.

I teach my students exactly what the PTS says; "Reduce power as required". You have to understand that this may be not at all. Close to the ground you can recover from the roll by just lowering the AOA.

 

[Booker]

Re: Power-On SE Stalls

Don't know what and where you guys fly, but it seems to me that I do Power On Single Engine Stalls daily in the Seminole. Its called a VMC Demo at 4000' AGL when the ground is 5000' MSL. The Seminole always stalls first at these altitudes.

That was kind of the point of my message a while back about the FAA removing the "limiting the rudder" clause from the new PTS. In the SEMI, if you don't limit the rudder (and do everything else within PTS/AFH guidelines), you'll invariably get the horn first, as you and I have both said.

I've created a monster...

 

[Wiggums]

Re: Power-On SE Stalls

Don't know what and where you guys fly, but it seems to me that I do Power On Single Engine Stalls daily in the Seminole. Its called a VMC Demo at 4000' AGL when the ground is 5000' MSL. The Seminole always stalls first at these altitudes.

Ok, but during a Vmc demo you should be recovering the instant you hear the stall warn. Where it gets exciting is if you start a power on turning stall at twenty inches MAP. Right as the buffet starts usually the low wing will drop. At that instant snap the aileron the opposite direction in an attempt to level the wings. Now recover from the incipient spin.

 

[IP076]

Right

Yeah, I'll agree with that. Gets pretty darn intersting...

Just a little confusion on my part....

 

[mackinhoes]

I don't see what the big deal is- I think you should try this stuff in IMC to make it interesting. Get a block of airspace from ATC and go do it all in the clouds.

Or, as I did in my old instructing days, two hoods. One for him and one for me.

Stall/spin/vmc recoveries on the gages. After you get the hang of it - Piece of cake.