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I have flown 2 missions to Missippi since the 6th and all I have to say is, the government is TRYING to kill the remaining survivors. They have hogtied the civilian pilots to the point of total frustration, TFR's to 5k, no entry past the(so called) DMZ zone, atack dogs at the only way out turning refugees back into the bacteria, disease infested waters. I coudn't even offer my survices as an emergency triage physician without moutains of red tapre!. I eventually kidinapped 2 families right out from under their incompitent noses and brought them to a donated house in St. Louis where they will be well taken care of. My future efforts will be with Noahs Wish Foundation to help with animal rescue. This releif effort is a total cluster f*ck!
Hooah!
Udkow, you are a Helo Stud and famous too!
To selflessly risk your career to help those people is commendable!
You and your compadres have the right stuff, those 100+ people might have died without your help. Peoples lives supercede supplies.
Give the other pilot and both your crews high five's from all of us! I hope you get to fly again soon, you make the Navy look good!
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New York Times
September 7, 2005
Navy Pilots Who Rescued Victims Are Reprimanded
By David S. Cloud
PENSACOLA, Fla., Sept. 6 - Two Navy helicopter pilots and their crews returned from New Orleans on Aug. 30 expecting to be greeted as lifesavers after ferrying more than 100 hurricane victims to safety.
Instead, their superiors chided the pilots, Lt. David Shand and Lt. Matt Udkow, at a meeting the next morning for rescuing civilians when their assignment that day had been to deliver food and water to military installations along the Gulf Coast.
"I felt it was a great day because we resupplied the people we needed to and we rescued people, too," Lieutenant Udkow said. But the air operations commander at Pensacola Naval Air Station "reminded us that the logistical mission needed to be our area of focus."
The episode illustrates how the rescue effort in the days immediately after Hurricane Katrina had to compete with the military's other, more mundane logistical needs.
Only in recent days, after the federal response to the disaster has come to be seen as inadequate, have large numbers of troops and dozens of helicopters, trucks and other equipment been poured into to the effort. Early on, the military rescue operations were smaller, often depending on the initiative of individuals like Lieutenants Shand and Udkow.
The two lieutenants were each piloting a Navy H-3 helicopter - a type often used in rescue operations as well as transport and other missions - on that Tuesday afternoon, delivering emergency food, water and other supplies to Stennis Space Center, a federal facility near the Mississippi coast. The storm had cut off electricity and water to the center, and the two helicopters were supposed to drop their loads and return to Pensacola, their home base, said Cmdr. Michael Holdener, Pensacola's air operations chief.
"Their orders were to go and deliver water and parts and to come back," Commander Holdener said.
But as the two helicopters were heading back home, the crews picked up a radio transmission from the Coast Guard saying helicopters were needed near the University of New Orleans to help with rescue efforts, the two pilots said.
Out of range for direct radio communication with Pensacola, more than 100 miles to the east, the pilots said, they decided to respond and turned their helicopters around, diverting from their mission without getting permission from their home base. Within minutes, they were over New Orleans.
"We're not technically a search-and-rescue unit, but we're trained to do search and rescue," said Lieutenant Shand, a 17-year Navy veteran.
Flying over Biloxi and Gulfport and other areas of Mississippi, they could see rescue personnel on the ground, Lieutenant Udkow said, but he noticed that there were few rescue units around the flooded city of New Orleans, on the ground or in the air. "It was shocking," he said.
Seeing people on the roofs of houses waving to him, Lieutenant Udkow headed in their direction. Hovering over power lines, his crew dropped a basket to pick up two residents at a time. He took them to Lakefront Airport, where local emergency medical teams had established a makeshift medical center.
Meanwhile, Lieutenant Shand landed his helicopter on the roof of an apartment building, where more than a dozen people were marooned. Women and children were loaded first aboard the helicopter and ferried to the airport, he said.
Returning to pick up the rest, the crew learned that two blind residents had not been able to climb up through the attic to the roof and were still in the building. Two crew members entered the darkened building to find the men, and led them to the roof and into the helicopter, Lieutenant Shand said.
Recalling the rescues in an interview, he became so emotional that he had to stop and compose himself. At one point, he said, he executed a tricky landing at a highway overpass, where more than 35 people were marooned.
Lieutenant Udkow said that he saw few other rescue helicopters in New Orleans that day. The toughest part, he said, was seeing so many people imploring him to pick them up and having to leave some.
"I would be looking at a family of two on one roof and maybe a family of six on another roof, and I would have to make a decision who to rescue," he said. "It wasn't easy."
While refueling at a Coast Guard landing pad in early evening, Lieutenant Udkow said, he called Pensacola and received permission to continue rescues that evening. According to the pilots and other military officials, they rescued 110 people.
The next morning, though, the two crews were called to a meeting with Commander Holdener, who said he told them that while helping civilians was laudable, the lengthy rescue effort was an unacceptable diversion from their main mission of delivering supplies. With only two helicopters available at Pensacola to deliver supplies, the base did not have enough to allow pilots to go on prolonged search and rescue operations.
"We all want to be the guys who rescue people," Commander Holdener said. "But they were told we have other missions we have to do right now and that is not the priority."
The order to halt civilian relief efforts angered some helicopter crews. Lieutenant Udkow, who associates say was especially vocal about voicing his disagreement to superiors, was taken out of the squadron's flying rotation temporarily and assigned to oversee a temporary kennel established at Pensacola to hold pets of service members evacuated from the hurricane-damaged areas, two members of the unit said. Lieutenant Udkow denied that he had complained and said he did not view the kennel assignment as punishment.
Dozens of military aircraft are now conducting search and rescue missions over the affected areas. But privately some members of the Pensacola unit say the base's two available transport helicopters should have been allowed to do more to help civilian victims in the days after the storm hit, when large numbers of military helicopters had not reached the affected areas.
In protest, some members of the unit have stopped wearing a search and rescue patch on their sleeves that reads, "So Others May Live."
Udkow, you are a Helo Stud and famous too!
To selflessly risk your career to help those people is commendable!
You and your compadres have the right stuff, those 100+ people might have died without your help. Peoples lives supercede supplies.
Give the other pilot and both your crews high five's from all of us! I hope you get to fly again soon, you make the Navy look good!
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New York Times
September 7, 2005
Navy Pilots Who Rescued Victims Are Reprimanded
By David S. Cloud
PENSACOLA, Fla., Sept. 6 - Two Navy helicopter pilots and their crews returned from New Orleans on Aug. 30 expecting to be greeted as lifesavers after ferrying more than 100 hurricane victims to safety.
Instead, their superiors chided the pilots, Lt. David Shand and Lt. Matt Udkow, at a meeting the next morning for rescuing civilians when their assignment that day had been to deliver food and water to military installations along the Gulf Coast.
"I felt it was a great day because we resupplied the people we needed to and we rescued people, too," Lieutenant Udkow said. But the air operations commander at Pensacola Naval Air Station "reminded us that the logistical mission needed to be our area of focus."
The episode illustrates how the rescue effort in the days immediately after Hurricane Katrina had to compete with the military's other, more mundane logistical needs.
Only in recent days, after the federal response to the disaster has come to be seen as inadequate, have large numbers of troops and dozens of helicopters, trucks and other equipment been poured into to the effort. Early on, the military rescue operations were smaller, often depending on the initiative of individuals like Lieutenants Shand and Udkow.
The two lieutenants were each piloting a Navy H-3 helicopter - a type often used in rescue operations as well as transport and other missions - on that Tuesday afternoon, delivering emergency food, water and other supplies to Stennis Space Center, a federal facility near the Mississippi coast. The storm had cut off electricity and water to the center, and the two helicopters were supposed to drop their loads and return to Pensacola, their home base, said Cmdr. Michael Holdener, Pensacola's air operations chief.
"Their orders were to go and deliver water and parts and to come back," Commander Holdener said.
But as the two helicopters were heading back home, the crews picked up a radio transmission from the Coast Guard saying helicopters were needed near the University of New Orleans to help with rescue efforts, the two pilots said.
Out of range for direct radio communication with Pensacola, more than 100 miles to the east, the pilots said, they decided to respond and turned their helicopters around, diverting from their mission without getting permission from their home base. Within minutes, they were over New Orleans.
"We're not technically a search-and-rescue unit, but we're trained to do search and rescue," said Lieutenant Shand, a 17-year Navy veteran.
Flying over Biloxi and Gulfport and other areas of Mississippi, they could see rescue personnel on the ground, Lieutenant Udkow said, but he noticed that there were few rescue units around the flooded city of New Orleans, on the ground or in the air. "It was shocking," he said.
Seeing people on the roofs of houses waving to him, Lieutenant Udkow headed in their direction. Hovering over power lines, his crew dropped a basket to pick up two residents at a time. He took them to Lakefront Airport, where local emergency medical teams had established a makeshift medical center.
Meanwhile, Lieutenant Shand landed his helicopter on the roof of an apartment building, where more than a dozen people were marooned. Women and children were loaded first aboard the helicopter and ferried to the airport, he said.
Returning to pick up the rest, the crew learned that two blind residents had not been able to climb up through the attic to the roof and were still in the building. Two crew members entered the darkened building to find the men, and led them to the roof and into the helicopter, Lieutenant Shand said.
Recalling the rescues in an interview, he became so emotional that he had to stop and compose himself. At one point, he said, he executed a tricky landing at a highway overpass, where more than 35 people were marooned.
Lieutenant Udkow said that he saw few other rescue helicopters in New Orleans that day. The toughest part, he said, was seeing so many people imploring him to pick them up and having to leave some.
"I would be looking at a family of two on one roof and maybe a family of six on another roof, and I would have to make a decision who to rescue," he said. "It wasn't easy."
While refueling at a Coast Guard landing pad in early evening, Lieutenant Udkow said, he called Pensacola and received permission to continue rescues that evening. According to the pilots and other military officials, they rescued 110 people.
The next morning, though, the two crews were called to a meeting with Commander Holdener, who said he told them that while helping civilians was laudable, the lengthy rescue effort was an unacceptable diversion from their main mission of delivering supplies. With only two helicopters available at Pensacola to deliver supplies, the base did not have enough to allow pilots to go on prolonged search and rescue operations.
"We all want to be the guys who rescue people," Commander Holdener said. "But they were told we have other missions we have to do right now and that is not the priority."
The order to halt civilian relief efforts angered some helicopter crews. Lieutenant Udkow, who associates say was especially vocal about voicing his disagreement to superiors, was taken out of the squadron's flying rotation temporarily and assigned to oversee a temporary kennel established at Pensacola to hold pets of service members evacuated from the hurricane-damaged areas, two members of the unit said. Lieutenant Udkow denied that he had complained and said he did not view the kennel assignment as punishment.
Dozens of military aircraft are now conducting search and rescue missions over the affected areas. But privately some members of the Pensacola unit say the base's two available transport helicopters should have been allowed to do more to help civilian victims in the days after the storm hit, when large numbers of military helicopters had not reached the affected areas.
In protest, some members of the unit have stopped wearing a search and rescue patch on their sleeves that reads, "So Others May Live."
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Serves as an emergency chiropractor?
Good God. You always were an idiot, and apparently always will be.
That would come from your broad experience in disaster relief operations and large scale emergencies, huh? What a toad.
You're kidnapping people and you wonder why, chiropractor boy?
Temporary flight restrictions at a disaster site. Simply amazing. You've cracked a scandal wide open, TD. Why don't you go back to Chicago and fly around with your engine shut off, or ice up your 182 wings and listen to it break off in big chunks and hit your vertical stab, like you brag about? The folks down south will be a whole lot safer.
Mudkow, fly safe. There's no glory in being tossed to the dogs (literally), but in any worthwhile mission, you aren't anything unless you've been fired at least once.
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For your information Mcfly, I am a D.C. And D,O. but not that it matters to some idiot that has nothing to do with the relief effort. If you were even remotely informed, most civilian pilots are doing the same. Why don't you go back to memorizing FAR books since that will really aid in the relief effort. Your jeoulosy seaths with contempt and only shows your true side. The day I see you say something nice I think I will faint. Get a life and go do some real flying instead of spending 6 hrs/day on the computer spouting how superior you are to everyone else. How pathetic! You really don't have a life.
One more thing, not that it's any of your business asshole, I went to school twice as long as an MD and am well breifed in emergency medicine after working at a level 1 trauma center for 8 years. Also, DC's are being deployed all over Iraq, what do you think, an Ibuprophen is going to decompress a herniated disk, what a tool. Go find a rock and die under it.
One more thing, not that it's any of your business asshole, I went to school twice as long as an MD and am well breifed in emergency medicine after working at a level 1 trauma center for 8 years. Also, DC's are being deployed all over Iraq, what do you think, an Ibuprophen is going to decompress a herniated disk, what a tool. Go find a rock and die under it.
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My, my, my. What would hypocrates say about that, mr. emergency masseur? As a so-called "doctor," aren't you supposed to be interested in healing people? Perhaps you'll do better in Iraq, now that there's a purpose for you.
I'm starting to think you're not a very nice person.
Hopefully someone will catch you, lest you hurt yourself and have to go see a chiropractor. Nobody wants that.
Being chiropractors?
You're probably right. A lot of pilots are forgoing the opportunity to take instrument training after their private pilot certificate in favor of becoming a chiropractor.
Now, if you could just do accupuncture. Then we'd have something useful. Thanks for playing.
So did Dr. Frank Burns. But then, he was a real doctor. Or at least, his character was on TV. Even being a fictional charactor, he was closer to being a real doctor than a chiropractor, but then you know that, don't you?
The only think I can think of more ironic when one is severely injured and in need of professional help than a doctor of veterinary medicine showing up, is a chiropractor. Or possibly a dentist. Just what every patient wants to hear.
"Relax, folks! I've been briefed in emergency medicine!"
"Are you a doctor?"
"Well, actually, no. But I watch people play them on TV. However, I've been fully briefed on what doctors do, and since they've already called the very best, I'm the best of what's left. Now, turn your head and cough."
Incidentally, how many other doctor-wannabees were down there kidnapping people? Was that just you? Or are there more where you came from?
Look out, Bill. That one could be boobytrapped. Better send in the chiropractor, just in case.
Throw down your weapons and come out with your hands held high, or we'll send the chriopractor in!
In a surprise change of foriegn policy today, the President announced the B-52's will begin dropping chiropractors on areas believed held by insurgents. The President states, and we quote, "This should really straighten things out."
Get it? Straighten things out? Har. Har ho. Ho hum. Ha. Ho. Hmmm.
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It's clear your ignorance precludes you from even knowing what a D.O. is? Why don't you look it up bight spark, you might learn that they are on the front lines of surgery, emergency medicine and triage for critically ill patients. They also have more schooling than an M.D., but so does a D,C. Didn't know that, did you? Arguing with you is like arguing with an aluminum can, you have no cognitive ability to comprehend what DR.s do. There are D.C's, M.D's and D.O.s., all licensed under the medical practice act of 1985. Here is a little tidbit of info I'm sure you were not aware of since your so busy "flying your keyboard instead of doing any good out in the field.
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
Now take that and multiply it by a factor of 1.8 and that's me. So as you can see, I forgot more than most M.D.'s will ever know about real practice in the trenches. I bet you won't find one M.D. on here that will say otherwise. Now if you are talking specialists in neuroradiology or thoracic surgery, that's more on a par. Your ignorance speaks for itself, for you info, most civy pilots are removing, "kidnaping" willing family members so they can be reunited with there families up north to avoid the bureaucratic red tape. I can sit here and waist my time describing what is going on here to a moron or just let you stumble along on your own which you seem to have perfected.
This is common practice since you know little about what is going on down here since you are not down here or ever will be. make yourself useful and walk into a bus.
Buy the way, you might want to ask some members who have been patients of mine and recieved the medication they needed in a timely fashion. To ignore civilian assets and medical know-how in a crisis situation is typical of somebody like you running FEMA. A book worm that is clueless to mobilization efforts to best and most efficiently utilize the assets this country has. You would make a great bureaucrat, full of hot air with ZERO substance. Now about that bus?
http://www.drgrisanti.com/mddc.htm
Now take that and multiply it by a factor of 1.8 and that's me. So as you can see, I forgot more than most M.D.'s will ever know about real practice in the trenches. I bet you won't find one M.D. on here that will say otherwise. Now if you are talking specialists in neuroradiology or thoracic surgery, that's more on a par. Your ignorance speaks for itself, for you info, most civy pilots are removing, "kidnaping" willing family members so they can be reunited with there families up north to avoid the bureaucratic red tape. I can sit here and waist my time describing what is going on here to a moron or just let you stumble along on your own which you seem to have perfected.
This is common practice since you know little about what is going on down here since you are not down here or ever will be. make yourself useful and walk into a bus.
Buy the way, you might want to ask some members who have been patients of mine and recieved the medication they needed in a timely fashion. To ignore civilian assets and medical know-how in a crisis situation is typical of somebody like you running FEMA. A book worm that is clueless to mobilization efforts to best and most efficiently utilize the assets this country has. You would make a great bureaucrat, full of hot air with ZERO substance. Now about that bus?
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