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USA Today Article about No Pilot...what do you know its a Mesa flight « on: Today at 06:48:23 AM »
Flight delays are an inevitable component of business travel. Sometimes bad weather is unavoidable. Other times a malfunctioning airplane is the culprit. A computer crash can wreak havoc on flight schedules. The overburdened air traffic control system is often responsible for tardy departures. And runway gridlock may snarl traffic on the ground. But my recent US Airways flight was delayed for a most unexpected and unusual reason: The pilot forgot to show up.
Having dodged the recent snowstorms in Colorado and the Northeast, the tornadoes in the Midwest, the jetBlue meltdown, and the US Airways computer glitch that stranded thousands of passengers, I was feeling quite smug. But my traveler's karma came to a screeching halt that evening in Phoenix.

Boarding time came and went while 90 passengers sat anxiously at the gate. Departure time came and went and we were still sitting there with no explanation. It was one of those annoying, creeping delays where the airline tells you nothing. Babies cried, children whined, and adults grew restless and irritable. And yet the skies were clear. The airplane was parked at the end of the jetway. So why weren't we on board winging our way back to Oakland?

Finally the gate agent addressed the hostile crowd. "For all those passengers waiting to board US Airways flight 2790 opt. by Mesa to Oakland, we are waiting for our pilot to arrive," she said sheepishly.

Waiting for the pilot to arrive? Of all the bonehead reasons for a flight delay, this one topped them all. OK, now what do we do? "Is there a pilot in the house?" I wanted to shout.

The delay continued. Tensions were rising and mutiny was in the air. Sensing the escalating agitation, the gate agent grabbed the microphone again. "Paging the captain of US Airways flight 2790 to Oakland. Please come to gate 21. Your flight is ready to leave." Her message reverberated through every corner of the airport.
Could paging really solve this problem? Could it magically bring the pilot to his airplane? Perhaps he was stuck in traffic or having car troubles. Perhaps there was a family emergency. Maybe he was lost, or developed amnesia and was wandering from gate to gate trying to recall his own identity and locate his next flight. Or perhaps he was sitting someplace quietly engrossed in a book and he simply lost track of the time.

Then my mind led to more disturbing thoughts: What if the pilot was sitting in the bar on Concourse B, having one more for the road? It would not be the first time a pilot showed up drunk for a flight — just a few years ago two America West pilots were convicted of operating a Phoenix-bound airplane while under the influence (thankfully they didn't get further than the taxiway before police called them back to the gate after being tipped off by an alert security screener who detected alcohol on their breath).

By now I am wondering if I want this pilot to show up after all. I thought about defecting and finding another airline to take me home, but this was the last flight of the day, so I was stranded in Phoenix still not knowing if I was going to get home that evening or not.

Eventually a man dressed like a pilot came dashing up to the gate and was escorted onto the airplane. A few minutes later we were boarding and the worst part of the trip was over...well not quite.

Once in our seats Captain Bryan apologized to the passengers saying that everyone knew what time to arrive for the flight except him and that he had just received the call. Then Bryan promised he would try to make up some of time en route. But after taxiing for another 15 or 20 minutes around the Phoenix runways, Bryan came back on the PA to tell us we were returning to the gate because someone outside the airplane said that it looked like one of our cargo doors might be open.

Now we had crossed the line from annoying inconvenience to scary situation. Don't they check these things before a flight leaves the gate? An unlatched cargo door is no joking matter. Cargo doors blowing open in flight have caused numerous lethal disasters over the years including one of the worst crashes in aviation history when a Turkish Airlines DC10 cargo door blew open after takeoff in Paris killing all 346 people.

So we taxied back to the gate so someone could check the cargo door, and after another lengthy delay we were finally on our way again as I wondered what else could go wrong on an uneventful trip turned nightmare.

We eventually arrived in Oakland a couple of hours late, and now after decades of air travel I know what happens when the pilot doesn't show up for a flight.

What's the strangest reason you've ever heard for a flight delay? Share your stories below.

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David Grossman is a veteran business traveler and former airline industry executive. He writes a column every other week on topics of interest and concern to business travelers. E-mail him at [email protected].
 
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I can't stand it when people call themselves Captain Firstname. Or when (and I know it's part of the script) the Stews call the flight crew by the first names in the safety brief. "Flying us to Frostbite Falls tonight is Captain Chad assisted by First Officer Todd"

Ask for respect if you want it. Hell, demand it.
 
Here's what I wrote to this guy.
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David Grossman you are an idiot. This situation occurs frequently in the airline industry - and not because the pilot was drinking or forgot to show up. There are a million reasons why Mesa did not staff this flight properly. Perhaps they didn't have enough reserve pilots that day and the guy originally scheduled to fly it was sick. Or perhaps he was delayed in another city (due to one of the myriad reasons for airline delays like WX, ATC etc...), and came dashing to your gate after arriving at another gate, after having worked a 13 hr duty day already with no time to stop and even grab a quick bite to eat, because you guys are all sitting around waiting for him to show up. You have no idea why he was late, and only make yourself look completely foolish, bitching like a moron in your column. Get a life jerkoff!
 
Here's what I wrote to this guy.
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David Grossman you are an idiot. This situation occurs frequently in the airline industry - and not because the pilot was drinking or forgot to show up. There are a million reasons why Mesa did not staff this flight properly. Perhaps they didn't have enough reserve pilots that day and the guy originally scheduled to fly it was sick. Or perhaps he was delayed in another city (due to one of the myriad reasons for airline delays like WX, ATC etc...), and came dashing to your gate after arriving at another gate, after having worked a 13 hr duty day already with no time to stop and even grab a quick bite to eat, because you guys are all sitting around waiting for him to show up. You have no idea why he was late, and only make yourself look completely foolish, bitching like a moron in your column. Get a life jerkoff!

Weasil, that was excellent. You must e-mail that exact reply to that dipsh#t. He was asking for responses.
 
I did. Probably won't change his behavior but makes me feel better.


while your at it, ask that SOB how much he paid for his ticket and if he bargain shopped for the cheapest F****** price on expedia, and then wonders why he doesnt get expert service. Shame on him for thinking the pilot was drinking, tooooooo cliche!!!!! I think most passengers believe that their flight is the center of the F****** universe and nothing else matters, theres 6 billion other people on this world, there are so many logistics that go into a flight being on time or not on time. F this guy who blames it solely on the pilots!
 
Maybe I should write a letter to the USA Today about my dentist who forgot about my 3 o'clock appointment. He must have thought it was for 3:45.

Or how about the car rental company that forgot about my reservation. I reserved a convertible, and all they had left was a Toyota Camry.
 
What about doctor's appointments that you show up for and wait an extra 1-3 hours. Funny how ONLY PILOTS are expected to be ontime regardless of the time for your appointment!:angryfire
 
It was a late notification by crew tracking to the captain. (99% most probable cause, anyway)

The flight left 23 minutes late.

Mr Grossman somehow thinks this is equivalent to the THOUSANDS of passengers stranded for DAYS in Denver and the JetBlue meltdown in JFK.

A 10 minute delay to double check an external access panel is exactly equivalent to "one of of the worst crashes in aviation history".

Mr Grossman only raises two legitimate points:
  • The barrage of conflicting PA announcements to the passengers. That, more than anything, made it look like no-one knew what the hell was going on (if what he writes is true, which, I doubt.)
  • "Baby (ies) cried, children whined" . . . yeah, and the biggest baby there was named "Mr. Grossman."
By immediately assuming the pilot was lazy, forgetful, stupid, asleep, drunk, careless, caviler about safety, or anything less than a highly trained and responsible airline professional, Mr. Grossman has let you know EXACTLY what he thinks about pilots in general.

I submit that you drop a note to Mr. Grossman and let him know what you think of him.

[email protected] (c/o Mr. Grossman)
 
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Mr Grossman,

I read your article about the late pilot and your unfortunate experience. As a pilot, I take offense at your comedic assumption about a pilot being at the bar. In this day and age we take these types of allegations VERY seriously. Perhaps if you had questioned him when he arrived, you would be greeted with "flight cancelled" I have done this because of a flippant comment about a passenger maybe seeing me at a hotel bar Ha Ha. Very funny....I want a breathalyzer right now, flight cancelled.

In addition, I find it irresponsible to complain about a pilot being late. Of ALL the myriad reasons why an airplane does not leave on time, a pilot arriving late on his own accord is almost never a reason. About 2327 things have to happen in a certain order for a flight to depart safely and on time. We usually sit up front, captive just as you do, wondering when this circus we call air travel will allow us to leave. I have never seen a pilot being late as a delay at MY airline. Maybe he was coming in from another city on a schedule that the airline created. Maybe he was called at the last moment. Gate agents love to shift blame to anybody to avoid counter pounders such as you, who demand to know exactly why they can't make their meeting that they allowed NO buffer for.

If he WAS late, kudos for being honest although it did him no good in your eyes. Most pilots would have blamed it on something else. Then you would be complaining about airlines lying to you. I suppose you have NEVER been late to work?

Yeah, the cargo door was open, happens all the time. Sometimes ice builds up on the wings, sometimes oil pressure fluctuates, other times the engine fails. Your cargo door was most likely spotted by the pilot of another airline looking out for one of his fellow brothers. Air travel is very safe, but EVERY DAY we make a thousand decisions that enable us to deliver you safely to your destination. We don't expect or want a pat on the back, we am simply doing our job. All we want is a little respect and trust. We deal with these incidents that are usually invisible to the passengers, who then blame us when we arrive late. When they are not invisible, you seem to be astounded by the vulnerability that mechanical devices inherently posess.

But hey, you gotta sell papers, so why not overdramatize an otherwise mundane experience.

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ASA Airlines
 
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I seriously doubt a "cargo door" was open. If it was, the pilots ignored the EICAS Warning message at the gate, during and after pushback, and during taxi until some good Samaritan pointed it out after dodging bags on the taxiway. Unlikely. It was probably an access panel for the gpu or ground communications, which the pilots have zero control over.
 
While writing a letter to this bonehead might make you feel better, it's not going to change his mind or behavior. He probably gets 50 letters a day slamming his blogs. If he didn't get them, he's probably not doing his job (in the eyes of the media). The press plays fast and lose with the facts and a few complaints from pilots aren't going to change a thing.

ALPA needs to respond to this kind of pilot bashing. Perhaps a letter to the editor or a phone call to his boss. And don't think for a minute that this isn't a problem because it was for a regional airline.

Ironically, it doesn't help our cause when a NW pilot has a cuss fest in front of a bunch of passengers though.
 
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Here's the reply I sent...

Your article about your delayed Mesa Airlines flight is way off base. You sit there and slam the pilot and make him look like an idiot. That pilot could have been covering another pilot who was in a car wreck or other emergency. He could have been covering your flight as a favor to the airline last minute if they were short on pilots. Comparing your flight to the JetBlue incidents or the weather messes in Denver this year is just plain ridiculous! Then, you have the guts to say that maybe this pilot is late because he's "sitting in the bar on Concourse B, having one more for the road." Did you know that we can't even step in a bar in uniform? When was the last time you saw a pilot picking up a few "for the road" in a bar?

Let me tell you a little bit about an airliner. There are many doors on the outside of an aircraft. The large doors have switches on them which tell us if they're open or closed. These doors are extremely important for obvious reasons. There are a few small doors which when left open usually do nothing more than make some annoying wind noise during the flight. Yes, the ground crews have to check them, but sometimes they do get left open. Or sometimes they might open on there own if the latch gets worn out and we hit a bump while taxiing. If they happen to be seen by somebody while taxiing out, we go back to the gate and get it closed. Would you rather we ignore it and just take off?

What really drives me crazy about reporters is that you are just as ignorant as the rest of the public is about aviation, but you have access to a "podium" and soap box from which to shout your ignorance. Why not do an article on airline management and the mistakes they make with these companies on a routine basis? A delay is frustrating for a customer. As pilots, we are perfectionists and professionals. We don't like being delayed any more than our customers do. All I'm asking is that before you go writing an article that bashes us and makes us look totally imcompetent, you attempt to get the full story first. Isn't that what a good reporter is supposed to do? Thank you for your time.
 
Here's the reply I sent...

Your article about your delayed Mesa Airlines flight is way off base. You sit there and slam the pilot and make him look like an idiot. That pilot could have been covering another pilot who was in a car wreck or other emergency. He could have been covering your flight as a favor to the airline last minute if they were short on pilots. Comparing your flight to the JetBlue incidents or the weather messes in Denver this year is just plain ridiculous! Then, you have the guts to say that maybe this pilot is late because he's "sitting in the bar on Concourse B, having one more for the road." Did you know that we can't even step in a bar in uniform? When was the last time you saw a pilot picking up a few "for the road" in a bar?

Let me tell you a little bit about an airliner. There are many doors on the outside of an aircraft. The large doors have switches on them which tell us if they're open or closed. These doors are extremely important for obvious reasons. There are a few small doors which when left open usually do nothing more than make some annoying wind noise during the flight. Yes, the ground crews have to check them, but sometimes they do get left open. Or sometimes they might open on there own if the latch gets worn out and we hit a bump while taxiing. If they happen to be seen by somebody while taxiing out, we go back to the gate and get it closed. Would you rather we ignore it and just take off?

What really drives me crazy about reporters is that you are just as ignorant as the rest of the public is about aviation, but you have access to a "podium" and soap box from which to shout your ignorance. Why not do an article on airline management and the mistakes they make with these companies on a routine basis? A delay is frustrating for a customer. As pilots, we are perfectionists and professionals. We don't like being delayed any more than our customers do. All I'm asking is that before you go writing an article that bashes us and makes us look totally imcompetent, you attempt to get the full story first. Isn't that what a good reporter is supposed to do? Thank you for your time.

Nicely done. To bad idiots like ths have a pen. -Bean
 
COOPERVANE AND SKYW PILOT:

Nice job. Well written. And may I especially THANK YOU for not making pilots look like idiots by spelling like half of the posters in this website!! Nothing would look worse than a letter correcting Grossman with the spelling and grammar of a fifth-grader.
 
And Grossman was an "Airline Executive" previously. Now we know what total idiots they have in Management. Don't even know the first thing about airlines and how they work, yet become an executive.

The drinking comment pissed me off the most. For what they pay us he got exactly what he deserved.
 

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