Morgan Freeman grounded

[FL000]

Anyone else here old enough to remember him from "Electric Company?"

Bust -- ed...busted

The lips on the other side of the screen were those of Lynne Thigpen. They worked together in "Lean on Me" also. Her lips were also featured as the DJ in "The Warriors."

Here is some random trivia from IMDB.com:

Considered joining the Air Force to become a fighter pilot, but opted to stay with acting instead.

Worked as a mechanic in the US Air Force.

Recently earned a Private Pilot license.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

vor a- clifo mandatoryat 2000
ils 6- dandy mandatory at 1500

this is from memory so could be wrong but don't think so

from his own explanation it sounded like he descended early, not late. not sure either of these fixes was involved

 

[Propsfullfwd]

He has a Seneca II and it is white and red. It is a partnership with another pilot under a corp. name after a restaruant that they own in Mississippi. He flies IFR alot and when people here him on the radios they follow him into airports. Good pilot from what I here. Best of luck getting in the air again.

Props

 

[con-pilot]

Yes, a very 'dandy' question! Gee, does 1,500 feet ring any bells?

 

[Vik]

People follow him into airports?

No wonder he bust altitude. Poor guy is probably running away from phr33ky pil0t stalkers.

I'm surprised he doesn't move up to a Citation X just to out run the crazy f--ks following him into airports.

He has a Seneca II and it is white and red. It is a partnership with another pilot under a corp. name after a restaruant that they own in Mississippi. He flies IFR alot and when people here him on the radios they follow him into airports. Good pilot from what I here. Best of luck getting in the air again.

Props

 

[Propsfullfwd]

He would land at one airport and had 3 planes follow him in just from hearing him. Then they tried to get into the company that he was going to on the feild. Some people...

Props

 

[CRFLyPutt]

KPTPK Total Time: 1K
Who cares...he should stick to acting!!!!
That's a pretty brazen statement for a guy with barley a 1000 hours.

mudkow60
There are lots of FAA controllers that I would LOVE to meet in person! They all act like the chums in Pushing Tin. Most but not all of the controllers in the NY airspace at times can be assholes. Their New York attitude and mentality spills over into their work.

rumpletumbler
yes! I did once by about 300ft but the guys hand I was flying with went to the standby switch like a bolt of lightning. It must have happened to him before as well. Anyhow....what kind of plane does Morgan have?
Common practice and great tactic for disguising your altitude if you make a mistake or just get off your altitude a little. Be warned, newer aircraft don't have this feature, your transponder squawks your altitude regardless of switch position.

Duderino
Anyone, Anyone? I wonder if this fix is what he was reffering to? Any ideas as to what he flies around at 21000.
Cause he can afford too? LOL!

Seriously, if you've never flown into the NY area or Teterboro to be more specific, I'd reserve criticism until you've actually had the <<snicker>> honor of:
-NY Center making you descend some 200 miles out.
-Getting vectored to Buffalo before you're allowed to head anywhere in the vicinity of the airport.
-Landing on TEB's short runways in a Gulfstream or a Lear 55 after being told to keep your speed up until short final.
-Try parking at Million Air with a full ramp.
-Try getting your aircraft serviced on a quick turn on a busy day at TEB.
-Having a customer tell you he wants to leave promptly at 5pm (rush hour) and the look on his face when you laugh while telling him he might wanna be about 45 minutes to an hour early to make it out of TEB at 5pm. It gets worse when he does show up early and you STILL don't make it out by 5pm.
-Being told you'll have to wait 45 minutes on the ground before takeoff at TEB with the engines turning while in sequence behind 6 other aircraft who are being told the same thing.
-Trying to execute the noise abated departure while NY Approach is breathing down your neck.

Did I miss anything?????

I sympathize with Freeman for being somewhat inexperienced and flying a turboprop into that area. One of the more challenging airspaces and airports to fly into regardless of your level of expertise.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I sympathize with Freeman for being somewhat inexperienced and flying a turboprop into that area.

He just got a lot more experienced.

 

[Raskal]

TEB sucks. It's crazy busy at certain times and as CRFLyPutt said, the center/approach controllers can be real dicks sometimes. Throw in the (in)famous slam-dunk-best-rate-to-1500-out-of-180-vorA-circle-into-the-antenna-farm-TCAS RAs-than-1 approach and it isn't hard to imagine a single pilot having a tough time. Cut the guy a break, there is probably no one on this board that hasn't done something that had they been caught/noticed they'd be in some hot water.

 

[apcooper]

I still don't understand why this poor guy didn't fill out a NASA ASRS form? He still would have been violated but he'd still be flying. I'm a bit puzzled as to why many on this board are wondering if he'll have any trouble flying again. I thought at worst he would get maybe a 30-60 day suspension and after that be fine. ALWAYS fill out a NASA form when this happens, PLEASE!! Having 1000hrs he certainly should have known this.

 

[LXJ31]

# In determining the type and extent of the enforcement action to be taken in a particular case, the following factors are considered:

1. nature of the violation;
2. whether the violation was inadvertent or deliberate;
3. the certificate holder's level of experience and responsibility;
4. attitude of the violator;
5. the hazard to safety of others which should have been foreseen;
6. action taken by employer or other government authority;
7. length of time which has elapsed since violation;(8) the certificate holder's use of the certificate;
8. the need for special deterrent action in a particular regulatory area, or segment of the aviation community; and
9. presence of any factors involving national interest, such as the use of aircraft for criminal purposes.

# The filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or the FAR is considered by FAA to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:

1. the violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
2. the violation did not involve a criminal offense, or accident. or action under 49 U.S.C. Section 44709 which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
3. the person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
4. the person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA under ASRS. See paragraphs 5c and 7b.
Note: Paragraph 9 does not apply to air traffic controllers. Provisions concerning air traffic controllers involved in incidents reported under ASRS are addressed in FAA Order 7210.3.
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It is a good idea to fill out the NASA ASRS forms, but it is not the "get out of jail free" card of popular myth. It will help in cases of unintentional and minor transgressions by removing fines and penalties from enforcement. You still get to explain the violation in an interview however. In either event, its a good idea to fill them out and an even better idea to read reports in the database from time to time here:

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/report_sets.htm

Actually, for more current ASRS results try this and choose "ASRS Data Query Tool"
https://www.nasdac.faa.gov/servlet/...657.p_sub_siteid=63&317_FOLDER_60657.p_edit=0

 

[KiloBase]

Nasa

A co-worker of mine (former FAA Safety guy) and I a discussion just a few weeks ago about the NASA ASRS forms. He said it isn't a "get out of jail free card" and if the FAA calls you prior to you filing the form it's too late. He said typically with something like that as long as it isn't a Life, Limb, or Eyesight issue, it usually boils down to a talking to from the FSDO, a check out with a CFI, and back to business. I hope everything works out for him.

Mark

 

[apcooper]

I'm not at all saying the NASA form is a get out of jail free pass. All I was saying is if you submit it you still could get a violation but you just won't be penalized. Actually you have 10 days to submit it so you are still safe if the FAA calls if you haven't submitted it within 10 days.

 

[zuka]

1) Did a loss of seperation occur? I only thought ATC would report a violation if you busted an altitude AND a loss of seperation occurred. It seems hard to believe a loss would occur when busting a 2000 ft restriction on app. I can't imagine you would have IFR traffic below you that low.

It could have been a security issue. I think controllers probally have training in recognizing Sep 11th style attacks. If you are on an approach in a major city with buildings around and you are doing something you aren't supposed to it probally raises a red flag more than if you are on an approach to yankee doodle farmville.