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This article seems to confirm what we all know: USAirways management (including Chairman David Bronner of Alabama) continues to make threats to force more and more and more cost cuts... The cycle continues.... This article mentions early summer as potential for asset sales, a merger or liquidation...

How many more threats can be made before it is just time to turn out the lights???? With the LCCs continuing to expand like wildfire on the East Coast in USAirways' backyard and new low-cost carriers about to start up (Virgin America, Independence Air, Project Roam, maybe new MESA operation, etc.), I don't see things getting much better for USAirways without HUGE cost cuts to maintain a decent margin and the cash requirements for the Government...

Good luck to all the pilots involved! Read below:




US Airways could seek merger, chairman says


By Thomas Olson
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, March 3, 2004

US Airways and its unions must settle on a way to turn a profit by July or its board will start selling assets or find a merger partner, Chairman David Bronner warned Tuesday.
"By early summer, something's got to give one way or the other," Bronner said in a telephone interview from Montgomery, Ala. His comments came a day after a candid meeting with leaders of the flight attendants union about the airline's financial losses.

"If we can't resolve the issues with labor -- the red ink -- it means more problems and the long-term demise of a great company," Bronner said. "I tried to put everything on the table, whether it's the sale of assets or talking to another company about a merger."

Last month, US Airways said it must reduce expenses by about 25 percent, most of it in labor costs. Bronner pressed his case for that in closed-door meetings with the flight attendants Monday as he had with leaders of the pilots union Feb. 20.

The airline, the nation's seventh-largest, lost $98 million in the three months ended Dec. 31 and $90 million in the prior quarter.

Bronner's mention of a possible merger was the first time a top executive of the airline has publicly discussed such a step since US Airways emerged from bankruptcy nearly a year ago, when he became chairman.

US Airways also must take steps to avoid defaulting on $900 million in loans backed by the U.S. Air Transportation Stabilization Board. Created as an industry safety net after the 2001 terrorist attacks, the ATSB expects US Airways to hit certain profit levels by the end of June.

"We are talking to the ATSB, but they want to see things in black and white," Bronner said in pushing for formalized labor concessions.

US Airways employs nearly 8,000 workers in Pittsburgh, including about 750 pilots and 1,175 flight attendants. The carrier's nationwide work force agreed to $1.03 billion in annual wage and benefit concessions in the summer of 2002.

Leaders of the Association of Flight Attendants met with Bronner for about 2 1/2 hours over lunch in Charlotte, N.C. on Monday.

Union chairman Perry Hayes yesterday called the meeting with Bronner a "frank discussion." But he said progress toward negotiations is hindered because the union still has not heard management's business plan and how it would involve flight attendants.

"US Airways still has not asked for any specific concessions," Hayes said through a spokeswoman.

"It's an ongoing thing," Bronner said of the restructuring process. "If (flight attendants) are looking for a piece of paper with a business plan on it, they're in the wrong business."

Bronner heads the Retirement Systems of Alabama, which has about $24 billion in assets. The public pension funded US Airways through Chapter 11 and acquired a 37 percent stake for $240 million.

"The world changed about a year ago when Wall Street opened their wallets to the discounters and shut off money to the legacy carriers," he said.

Discounter JetBlue Airways, for instance, recently obtained about $7 billion to buy more than 200 regional jets over the next seven years. Such a growth spurt would make East Coast competitor JetBlue's fleet bigger than US Airways'.

By contrast, US Airways could lose aircraft financing from GE Capital if the airline doesn't "stop bleeding red ink," Bronner said.

He also referred to discounter Southwest Airline's May 9 launch of service in Philadelphia, one of US Airways' three hubs. Its traffic also generates about 25 percent of US Airways' annual revenue.

"Knowing you're under attack in places like Philadelphia, which pulls your revenue down, you've got to lower your costs," Bronner said. He called the situation "a helluva dilemma for the poor labor leader."

Bronner also defended US Airways' decision to outsource heavy maintenance of its Airbus jets to an Alabama contractor. The International Association of Machinists is challenging the move in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia.

"It saves millions of dollars, and other carriers like United are doing it, too," Bronner said.


Thomas Olson can be reached at [email protected] or (412) 320-7854
 
Everyone likes to talk about the pilots and the F/A's, but what I want to know is what are they paying the baggage handlers, rampers, gate agents and managers?

Seems to me like the pilots have given enough, if not more than enough.

If you want to compete agianst LCC's which is what Bronner claims they want to do, then how about getting ALL empooyee groups in line? Rumor has it that there are senior ground personnel making over $50K/yr. If that is true, why hasn;t there been more about that?

I also have to laugh at Bronner's claim that "wall Street has opened their wallets to LCC's and closed it to the Legacy carriers".

A more accurate statement would be "Wall Street has been investing their money with the growing carriers, and is not willing to invest further at companies that are losing money and run by dinosaur management".

USAirways pilots- You guys have done every thing that you can do. I think it is a disgusting shame what is happening over there. Good luck, and I hope those clowns manage to pull it together, because you guys deserve better.
 
Respectfully, I'll ask the question again: at what point does it make sense to just turn out the lights?

How much more pain are the USAirways employees (including the wholly-owned carriers) willing to take? It seems to be getting worse and worse...
 
Seems to me like the pilots have given enough, if not more than enough.

The reality is that of all the labor groups, the pilots still have the most to lose. All the other groups you mention have alternatives outside of US Airways that are far more acceptable than the alternative that a US Airways pilot has.

The junior pilot at US Airways, the guy sitting reserve FO, has something like 16 years seniority. Every single pilot at US Airways is in the 12+ year seniority bracket---pegging the rate for his/her type of equipment.

If US Airways falls apart, what have they got? They're either out of aviation completely (at probably not a great pay rate) or they're flying freight for still significantly less than what they had at US Airways. And either way, they have a very limited pension.

No group at US Airways has more skin in the game. No group has more to lose. And therefore, no group has more incentive to give up yet more concessions if they have to.

It's ugly, but that's the reality. Until US Airways pay rates start to hover around what pilots would get at their next best alternative (which ain't great), US Airways pilots still have an incentive to give it up. Don't think Siegel doesn't know it, either.
 
I would honestly rather sink the ship than continue in this direction. Any US Air pilots agree?
Man this is ugly.
 
What about USAirways MANAGEMENT? Do they have their own skin in the game as well or just monetary incentives to lower everyone else's wages? It makes me sick to see this cycle repeating itself over and over...
 
Heavy Set said:
What about USAirways MANAGEMENT? Do they have their own skin in the game as well ...

Doesn't sound like it... They just had a local news report here in Charlotte about how Seigel and company could stand to make "millions" if USAirways goes under...
 
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I just got done doing a couple of A-319 repo flights from Arizona to pittsburgh for US Air and I had the pleasure of meeting a couple of the very very very very senior IAM boys working for US Air. Let me tell you that it took all my might to keep my trap shut when the second plane was delayed for takeoff and we started to talk union crap in the office... man oh man... what a fu$king mistake that was....... These fu#ks.... excuse my english .... reminded me of the real senior guys at Delta ready willing and able to eat their young and spit US out.....They could'nt give a rats a$$ about the junior guys and actually laughed about it.....well more kind of smirked at it when they said it out loud. And mind you these a$$holes knew the crew (US, sitting right in front of their fu$king faces) were furloughed from one major or another........

Goes to show you that these guys don't care about the junior guys, whether the junior guys have been there 1 year or 16 years. Dunno.... maybe its human nature that after a while you just dont care anymore..... I know after 3 years of BS I really could'nt care less about a lot of stuff..... never thought I would be this way, but I guess life is funny that way. As long as guys like this are in real senior positions, the airline will continue to operate at any cost and if not, the guys in charge (Bonner, Lorenzo....etc....) will do what they have to do to make their money back. I hope these guys (USAir ALPA) put their foot down and say enough is enough, but until we're in their shoes who knows what will happen. Good luck guys..... and I wish you guys well......... really.

ps. And for those of you that are gonna ask......... I repo'd the 2 A-319's back to KPIT to be put back in service. Didn't really ask anymore questions, except when do I get paid?
 
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Management BS alert!!

"It's an ongoing thing," Bronner said of the restructuring process. "If (flight attendants) are looking for a piece of paper with a business plan on it, they're in the wrong business."


Hard to know where to even start with this one...How about : "Yes, I really DO expect to see a business plan on paper. How about before you start spending my paycheck, you will at least have the common decency to have some vague idea where the money will be used? "

I am so sick of seeing management make mistake after mistake, and the only people who suffer are the employees who haven't done anything wrong.

Good luck to the folks at US. You certainly haven't done anything to deserve this....
 
Merger partner ?

What airline group would wan't anything to do with such a senior group as the U employees ?

I think most carriers would see they're better off picking over the rubble in a fire sale, than the disasterous possibilities of inheriting this albatross.

Don't get me wrong, the U employees deserve better than the clueless idiots they've got running their show now, but I think the likihood of any mergers would be exceedingly remote.

Once Southwest hits Philly, even 25% reductions won't be enough. At best, U will end up about where it is now - still in the red.

I simply don't believe this ship can be saved.

The writing's been on the wall for some time now, it's just that even managment can no longer bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** their way out of it.
 
Networ-King said:
I just got done doing a couple of A-319 repo flights from Arizona to pittsburgh for US Air and I had the pleasure of meeting a couple of the very very very very senior IAM boys working for US Air. ....... These fu#ks.... excuse my english .... reminded me of the real senior guys at Delta ready willing and able to eat their young and spit US out.....They could'nt give a rats a$$ about the junior guys and actually laughed about it.....Goes to show you that these guys don't care about the junior guys, whether the junior guys have been there 1 year or 16 years. Dunno.... maybe its human nature that after a while you just dont care anymore..... I

Ahhh...The dark side of union politics. This is what gives unions a bad name. You know it already, but just look at the huge pay rate for operating 777s at Delta vs. 757s. Is that really justified?

The reason ATA doesn't have 767s yet is the negotiation on pay. I hope that doesn't get dorked up, but I think it will.


All for one and one for me.
 
While i'm not really surprised that US Airways mgmt is asking for more concessions, I am surprised that labor isn't fighting back. The latest Aviation Week had a series of graphs showing costs for the six largest US airlines. Each airline costs were broken down into personnel (pilots, FA, mechanics, and others) and non-personnel (airplanes, and other costs of running an airlines, but not fuel or security).

Unfortunately, I don't have the magazine in front of me, so correct me if I'm wrong. US Airways graph showed a sharp decrease in personnel costs since 2000, but a INCREASE in non-personnel costs. So why isn't labor pushing this issue, and saying "we've given enough - it's time for management and the banks to reduce US Airways costs".

I agree that as a result of a senority system, everyone has a vested interest in keeping the company alive. No one wants to start at the bottom of another senority list - ask the Eastern guys.

In my opinion, US Airways management is going to keep asking for concessions until labor flatly says no.
 
come on

Eaglefly,

You honestly believe that Southwest flying from 4 or 5 cities into Philly is going to topple US Airways?

There are over one hundred communities that receive air service from Philly -- most of them aren't even on Southwest's radar screen.

While I believe they may hurt US Airways in those markets I doubt it is the death blow to a company that has been around for 50+ years.

US Airways management's biggest problem now is legacy costs. They have furloughed their most junior (and therefore least expensive) employees.

Every one of their first officers are at the top of the F/O pay scale for example.

That isn't labors FAULT nor should labor be forced to bear the burden of managements decision. They were given every opportunity to allow early retirements during the first round of concessions but they declined.

Yeah Mr. Siegle. People have worked at this airline for 30+ years. Sorry about that but lamenting over the fact that JetBlue's average employee has been with the company for 3 years isn't going to change things. Try MANAGING the company with the resources you have available for a change.

This guy would blame sunspots if he thought he could get away with it. It is NEVER his fault. Its always an excuse. Winter storms, low-fare competition, regional jets, hurricanes, fuel prices, senior employees, retiree medical benefits, pension plans, the ATSB, the PBGC, David Neelman, Delta... you name it. Its EVERYBODY's fault EXCEPT for Siegel.

Well Dave, guess what. The buck stops with you. You knew when you came to US Airways that you had a very senior employee group and if you knew (as I believe you did) that you were going to furlough 20% of the company than you should have had a plan to handle those legacy costs.

There's nobody else to blame it on now Dave. The pilots gave and gave and gave some more. Now its time to either POOP or get off the POT.

It's time to see if "Labor Friendly Dave" has what it takes to run an airline.

Personally, I dont think he could manage a 7-11 much less an international airline with 30,000 remaining employees.
 
take a loock at the big picture

Dude you actually think that SW is just going to fly to "4 or 5 places". You are obviously not familiar with the demise of BWI, a once proud US Airways hub. SW is going to take PHL by force and unfortunately US will just pull out, as they have done in the past. Beleive me I would love to be DEAD WRONG on this one. Unfortunately US track record seems to back my theory.

I will say one thing.... Eighnough is eighnough. Someone needs to draw a line in the sand and lay down an ultimatum. "Either fix this broken horse, or lay it out to pasture" At the rate things are going, US pilots will eventually have to PAY cash to fly a jet. Pretty SADDD:(
 
The IAM has always been willing to put a carrier out of business to prove a point. They didn't kill TWA but they held it down while it bled to death.

They will do the same at USAir. No amount of concessions by the pilots and FA's will overcome the IAM's contract AND their feet dragging at work.

Good luck.TC
 
Flyboeingjets,

Yes, there is a difference in pay between the 757 and 777 at Delta, but there is no difference between flying the 757 and the 767-300ER(a lot more seats on that one), and only a $6 an hour difference between flying the 757/767 and the 737-800. The 777 brings in a lot more revenue than the 757--and we should be paid more to fly it.

Bye Bye---General Lee;)
 
LUV vs US Air in PHL

Hey guys,

Southwest took over BWI but that place is a total different beast than PHL. I flew out of BWI for a few years without delays. When the wx goes down in Philly and the winds are out of the east, 9R is the only option. You can say ground stop and holding patterns.

Maybe I am wrong but didn't Southwest pull out of SFO because of delays. I just don't see 30 minute turns in PHL maybe 30 minutes in line to taxi.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against Southwest but it seems like their going against their normal plan of quick turns and keeping them in the air not on the ground. Well they may be in air but it will be holding over Bunts.

About US Airways management, they seem to have an identity crisis: major, regional,LCC? Whatever they are it will be blamed on the employees. If management keeps up it up, US Air will be the regional feeding mainline Mesa.
 
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Hey guys,

Southwest took over BWI but that place is a total different beast than PHL. I flew out of BWI for a few years without delays. When the wx goes down in Philly and the winds are out of the east, 9R is the only option. You can say ground stop and holding patterns.

Maybe I am wrong but didn't Southwest pull out of SFO because of delays. I just don't see 30 minute turns in PHL maybe 30 minutes in line to taxi.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against Southwest but it seems like their going against their normal plan of quick turns and keeping them in the air not on the ground. Well they may be in air but it will be holding over Bunts.
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I thought the same thing, too -- what, are all the aircraft magically going to part, like the Red Sea did for Moses, when SWA comes taxiing out? I don't think so.

It doesn't matter, though - SWA takes pretty heavy delays through Baltimore anyway...so the flights will be a little late - but the #1 money making destination for airlines out of PHL is Chicago - it's a no brainer. I wish it wasn't true. Time will tell, though.
 
AA717driver said:
The IAM has always been willing to put a carrier out of business to prove a point. They didn't kill TWA but they held it down while it bled to death.

They will do the same at USAir. No amount of concessions by the pilots and FA's will overcome the IAM's contract AND their feet dragging at work.

Good luck.TC

Enough is enough! Isn't the IAM destroying a once proud UAL? First TW, then US, and UAL, who's next?
 

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