More TSA Crapola Rules (PIT)

[Tripower455]

Here's an idea: maybe each airline can have three or four different uniforms for their pilots. The night before you fly, crew sked. calls you and tells you which uniform has been chosen at random for your crew for that day. Anyone who shows up in an incorrect uniform is immediately taken out by a TSA sniper.

That's more logical than what they're doing now!


Right now they are screening crewmembers as passengers, to make sure that they don't have any weapons that they can use to "take over the plane" (direct quote from a tsA minion).

They don't screen ground ops, gate agents, fuelers, provisioners, cleaners, rampers, etc., since, after they watch a 45 minute video and are given a special badge, they are now considered "trusted employees" (another direct quote from the CEO of my company). Keep in mind, that a member of this elite, "trusted" group has already committed mass murder by bringing a weapon on board a commercial flight (PSA 1771), which resulted in the screening of pilots (but not "trusted" employees).

Anyone see the logic flaw in this idea? Does anyone think that the bad guys won't try to get jobs on the ramp and simply BRING what they want into the "secure" area?

Pilots are the absolute LAST employee group that should be screened, since it makes absolutely NO difference whether they bring a weapon on board or not. Screening us is nothing more than a waste of time at one end, and a possible end to a career at the other (don't leave a mini Swiss Army knife in your bag by accident!).

Vector4 fun is absolutely correct in saying that pilot screening will make a small percentage of the dumber pax feel better. This is the only reason that we are screened. If actual security had anything to do with it, the ground ops folks would be enduring it as well, and we'd be the ones bypassing.

I guess that when an easily recognized, authority figure (pilot) gets the same feel up as the pax, a certain number of them will (wrongfully) conclude that security is airtight.

 

[Dash8]

vilification

had a beautiful experience the other day trying to get through the 'security' at my base.

show up at the checkpoint for my trip, wearing a navy fleece pullover with my uniform, with my id out.

wandmonkey (wm) at the front of xray machine goes "tickets please?"
me "tickets?"
wm: you need tickets to get through here
me: *holding up id* no, no i don't need tickets.
wm: your not in uniform you have to have a ticket
me *pulling away pullover to show uniform shirt* yes i am
wm: where's your jacket?
me: *incredulously* my what?
wm: your jacket, you have to have your jacket
me: *looking around for hidden candid cameras or alan funt jr* i don't have a jacket (long story)
wm: well I can't let you thru without a ticket
me: i don't need a ticket i'm working this is my crewbase
wm: well i have to ask a supervisor
(meanwhile theres about a 100 person line behind me watching this freakshow)
wm: SUPERVISOR?!?!?!
wand monkey supervisor(wms): yeah whats going on?
wm: he doesn't have a jacket or tickets
me: because i'm working *holding up fancy new CREW id tsa made the companies change to for easy id'ing*
wms: are you working?
me: uh, yes
wms: are you in uniform?
me: *once again moving fleece* yes
wms: oh yeah,he's got a tie on, he's ok
me: thank you
wm: *dirty look*
me: so let me ask you, what happens when we have to come down to pick up some paperwork from the company down in our crewroom or when we have ground school training downstairs?
wms: you can't come thru security if your not working or flying
me: this is our crewbase, we recieve papers and documents from our company down in our crewroom
wms: you get mail here?
me: yes, we have boxes that the company puts things in that we have to have.
wms: oh....uh......ok, well, just tell them you aren't flying then when you come thru.

 

[dispatchguy]

Cant we just shoot them all and get it over with?

 

[XGmaninGA]

Your hard earned tax dollars at work!

 

[dispatchguy]

Your hard earned tax dollars at work!

Yeah, and I am about to write a check to the Internal Ripoff Service for about 600 bucks too - would be nice to be able to use that to move in 2 weeks...

I think that election day should be moved to the first business day AFTER taxes are due - Washington would look much different

 

[username]

My personal favorite was at BWI not too long ago.

I was in uniform jumpseating home on WN. There are two security checkpoints you can use to access WN and AA flights. Sadly, I don't work for them so no WN uniform. I just got finished flying and was literally running from another concourse to make the flight.

TSA- "Are you working a flight?"
ME- "No, I just finished flying 5 minutes ago and I'm going home."
TSA-"Well you need a ticket then. Sorry, new policy."
ME-"I work here. I'm in uniform. I just landed. I just had to leave security on the other concourse to come down here and get on my flight."
TSA-"Sorry, you still need a ticket."
ME-" Fine, I'll go down to the next checkpoint."

I get to the next checkpoint show my ID and go thru with no questions. At least stupidty is equally applied!

 

[Bluestreak]

It is obvious that the TSA has outlived it's usefulness,having quashed the threat of terrorism,the mission now is to keep the world safe from airline pilots.When faced with these new "rules",I just want to meet face-to-face the moron who thought them up.It's like some bored small town cop,with no real crime to fight,sits on the side of the road ticketing people for going 5MPH over the limit.Maybe we need to have a "max security week"-kinda like "max safety",i.e.,taxi at a crawl,etc.If you can't walk over to the a/c in the next parking spot-fine-go through ALL the hoops and if it causes a delay-so be it.

 

[dispatchguy]

It is obvious that the TSA has outlived it's usefulness,having quashed the threat of terrorism,the mission now is to keep the world safe from airline pilots.When faced with these new "rules",I just want to meet face-to-face the moron who thought them up.It's like some bored small town cop,with no real crime to fight,sits on the side of the road ticketing people for going 5MPH over the limit.Maybe we need to have a "max security week"-kinda like "max safety",i.e.,taxi at a crawl,etc.If you can't walk over to the a/c in the next parking spot-fine-go through ALL the hoops and if it causes a delay-so be it.

You have met him - he's Barney Fife

 

[skydash]

TSA CRAP

Yes,Yes,Yes.....and to add insult to injury(and I know you guys and girls get tired of reading this same rant from me,but I'm gonna continue to do it until it gets changed),I keep gettin bumped off of airplanes with full cabins...AND EMPTY $#@!!%* JUMPSEATS!! When...when....when are we EVER going to ride an offline jumpseat again??? God knows that having another pilot up there is obviously a threat to the civilized world....why... just look at all the planes over the past 50 years that have been hijacked by a jumpseating pilot!! I wish the TSA brain donor who passed that rule had to get to work offline. Ok.....I'm hopping off the soapbox now...deep breaths.....deep breaths......

 

[Typhoon1244]

Actually, I've been pretty lucky in my dealings with the TSA...so far. (It's the FBI that gave me fits, but that's another story...) TSA does a good job of plastering a smiley-face on an extremely wasteful process.

At this point, the only recurring TSA problem I have is with one particular screener in DFW, at the E-33 checkpoint. I'm embarassed that I've never caught her name, but she's perhaps thirty-five or forty with short, light-brown hair...and regardless of what she'd doing, she'll drop everything and knock down six people to get in a pilots face and say, very deliberatley, "you have a great day."

Anybody know the one I'm talkin' 'bout? I know you ASA folks know her!