More on Mesa in HI

[dash8driver]

Yes, those pesky anti-trust laws written in 1917, bastards to get around. I hear they stop companies from attempting capitalist moves like this. Guess that was the one thing no one on the board thought about when planning on opening Hawaii. Good thing you are here to remind everyone about those pesky anti-trust laws, otherwise who knows what would have happened?!?! Come to think of it, you should probably have kept your mouth shut so Mesa would break the law and JO would have been thrown in Jail. That's it buddy, from now on all the flack that Mesa gets will be directed at you for not letting JO go to jail. You have done a great dis-service to the whole of aviation. Thanks.

they must not be using your "genius" plan then.

JO and the board should have thought about violating signed agreements they had with HAL. if they had they wouldnt be in this lawsuit. i guess your hero JO cant think of everything, but i am confident it wont shake your worship of him.



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[dash8driver]

Source?

must be because they didnt think of everything and now have to consult Bmoney on what to do next since he's so smart.




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[islandhopper]

must be because they didnt think of everything and now have to consult Bmoney on what to do next since he's so smart.




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I think one of JO's cronies finally made it to www.flightinfo.com His few posts are very reminiscient of several posters on the Mesa Yahoo! forums when they were in full swing. Sounds to me like somebody out there needs a new place to vent on-line? How am I doing so far bmoney?

Come on in! We can embarass you idiots over here too!

 

[Soverytired]

Source?

The usual.

Heard from a guy, who heard it from a guy kinda thing.

It's pretty much Mesa M.O. though . . . big announcement splash, followed by a couple of months delay.

More interesting question is "WHY?". Personnally, I doubt it's the lawsuit . . . it may or not have legit standing, but it's gonna be a female-dog to prove.

Not that I care either way. This whole topic seems to generate alot of interest on the Hangar though, so I share . . . (cuz hey, I love to give )

 

[islandhopper]

The usual.

Heard from a guy, who heard it from a guy kinda thing.

It's pretty much Mesa M.O. though . . . big announcement splash, followed by a couple of months delay.

More interesting question is "WHY?". Personnally, I doubt it's the lawsuit . . . it may or not have legit standing, but it's gonna be a female-dog to prove.

Not that I care either way. This whole topic seems to generate alot of interest on the Hangar though, so I share . . . (cuz hey, I love to give )

well at least my boy won't get bumped from his vacation for training now. If this is true, then we can firm up some reservations for his wedding and bachelor party etc etc. Keep us posted!

 

[BMoney]

Much to your dismay, I'm not in bed with JO. If I had my way he would be out of aviation all together. I am not, however, too arogant to recognise a smart buisness plan when I see one. Whether you two like it or not, at least now you know his plan. I have no desire to see you two loose your jobs flying in HI, nor do I want to see JO hold a monopoly in any sector of aviation. I look at Mesa just as I look at Walmart; cancer for the industry but a shining example of capitalism. If it makes you two feel better to make fun of me then have fun, serves me right for trying to make an intelegent statement on flightinfo.

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[mdanno808]

The biggest flaw in you're analysis of JO and his ingenious capitalist venture of taking over the interisland market in Hawaii is this: This is not a MAG venture. This little operation is being funded by outside investors, who do not like to lose money. MAG could have $10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 gazillion dollars in the bank, and unless they are paying the investors with money out of their stash (illegal, no?) those investors will not be happy campers.

Besides all of this, if you knew the traveling public in Hawaii, you would know that after 3 months into this new service, the seats on Mesa will be empty. HAL and AQ will match the fares, and in case you haven't flown in a 717 or 737, the comfort level beats the $hit out of any RJ on the market. People in Hawaii travel with (and I'm not kidding here) garbage bags full of crap, coolers filled with fish, 16 boxes of crispy cremes, and a backpack for a 3 day trip. When their crispy cremes get stuck in a cargo pit, and then get crushed by their cooler, people will get pissed. Not to metion the fact that their garbage bag, and their cousin Kimo got bumped because the little airplane that could was bulked out, and over weight flying out of Maui.

One last thing. How is it a brilliant move to set up an operation that loses money just because you have a ton of money in the bank?

 

[mdanno808]

Yeah, he left for work like a half hour ago.

Much to your dismay, I'm not in bed with JO.
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[dash8driver]

i dont really know how making a exaggerated, simplistic statement can be classified as an intelligent statement.

they're going to have to have a real plan. one as simple and blatant as the one you put out just wont work because of anti-trust laws. oh, they are easy to get around you say. ask AT&T and billy gates about that one. sure there are companies that get around it, i doubt there's a law on the books that is batting 1000. if it was so easy to get around anti-trust laws there'd be a lot more monopolies around.

then again its like you said yourself, they probably already thought about that. so its reasonable to expect that they have a better plan than the one you came up with.


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[RJP]

People in Hawaii travel with (and I'm not kidding here) garbage bags full of crap, coolers filled with fish, 16 boxes of crispy cremes, and a backpack for a 3 day trip. When their crispy cremes get stuck in a cargo pit, and then get crushed by their cooler, people will get pissed.

So very true. The one that always got me was a guy that flew to MKK and would just check-in his shopping bags straight from Star Market. The milk, cheese, even the raw steaks were sitting in plastic bags on a cart waiting for the next MKK flight. In the middle of the day, in the middle of summer.

Those cute little CRJs will never smell the same after a cooler of fish tips over in the cargo hold.

 

[OB-CPO]

does fred know you are using his picture??

Who is fred?

 

[Dan Roman]

The Hawaiian Air pilot in your picture. He did the flying for Raiders of the
Lost Arc. In addition to the stunt flying (that was his airplane they used), he was the actor who played the part of the pilot on screen, It's been years since I've seen the movie, but he had a couple lines about a snake.

 

[Dan Roman]

As far as the lawsuit being frivolous, this article points out a little reality.

http://www.thestreet.com/_googlen/stocks/transportation/10270608.html

For ornstein to get a confidential look at the books and sign non-compete ageements and than break them is pretty cut and dry. As is stated even a first year law student can see thats wrong. Hawaiian has been quite profitable and they had over a $160 million cash along with one of the "best balance sheets in the industry" They just paid cash for 4 767's, which means they will have lower operating costs than the 767's they currently operate (no lease payments). Mesa's RJ will cost 30% more per seat to operate than HAL's 717's and will be much less comfotable. HAL and AQ will match their fares, so what's the incentive to ride on an airline run by people that are the antithesis of the "Aloha Spirit".

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Isn't j.o. a convicted felon? Securities or sumthin like that? If he cannot figger the SEC rules, he might have a problem with other legal thingys, like nondisclosure statments.
PBR

 

[islandhopper]

Mesa offers the lowest price and looses money in HI to get rid of all the other airlines flying inter-island, then takes over.

Whether you two like it or not, at least now you know his plan.

Gee what would we have done without you? Check out this article. http://www.hawaiibusiness.com/currentmonth.aspx?id=10

During some of Aloha Airlines' darkest days in bankruptcy last fall, the news releases began. Phoenix-based regional carrier Mesa Air Group announced in September it intended to start flying interisland routes in the first quarter of 2006. Mesa, the low-cost carrier that was thriving on the Mainland while most airlines foundered, wanted a piece of Hawaii. Industry insiders in Hawaii couldn't help but speculate that Mesa's main aim was to shake up Aloha and scare away any prospective investors.

We were onto JO and Mesa within hours of his/their initial press releases. You are about 6 months late.


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[PBRstreetgang]

Ohhhhh,
"But competition breeds better airlines with better service and lower fares, he says. Mak maintains only the stockholders of the company that loses market share suffer." Not alltogether true, messa pax suffer all the time, due to the lack of apus.
BAAAHAAA
PBR
P.S. better service, where is messa gonna buy that, $300M, wont buy much of both!