More money for USAir

[Indypilot]

Looking at the people that RJET flies for and their scope.

AA - Nothing over 50 seats period
UA - Nothing over 70 seats, allows more than 70 for other airlines
DL - Nothing over 70 seats, allows more than 70 for other airlines
US - Not sure, but I'm guessing up to 100 seats can be flow by a regional


So if RJET flies all of their 50 seaters (AA,UA,DL,US) under the CHQ certificate, none of the scopes are broken.

That leaves the 170's and 190's. For United, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate. For Delta, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate. for Us Air, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate.

So far no scope has been broke right. (The only one in danger is the AA one which is gotten around by the REP certificate.)

Now lets add 190's into the mix. IF Us Air scope allows them to be flown by Republic, then because they are under a different paint job, it is not breaking the DL or the UAL scope correct?

Or does the delta scope specifically say that the larger than 70 seat airplanes must be on a different certificate? Is it just the paint job, or is it the certificate that the DL scope allows?

For instance if ASA wasn't wholly owned, could they operate 90 seat airplanes for say, America West under the same cerificate. Would that violate your scope?

 

[DASHDRIVER]

Quick Correction:


UAL: up to 70 except AWAC who is authorized to fly up 18, 100 seat BAE-146's or replacement aircraft limited at 100,000 lbs max gross. So no 190's but the CRJ900 would be an option.

regards DD

 

[General Lee]

Looking at the people that RJET flies for and their scope.

AA - Nothing over 50 seats period
UA - Nothing over 70 seats, allows more than 70 for other airlines
DL - Nothing over 70 seats, allows more than 70 for other airlines
US - Not sure, but I'm guessing up to 100 seats can be flow by a regional


So if RJET flies all of their 50 seaters (AA,UA,DL,US) under the CHQ certificate, none of the scopes are broken.

That leaves the 170's and 190's. For United, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate. For Delta, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate. for Us Air, they will fly the 170 on the REP certificate.

So far no scope has been broke right. (The only one in danger is the AA one which is gotten around by the REP certificate.)

Now lets add 190's into the mix. IF Us Air scope allows them to be flown by Republic, then because they are under a different paint job, it is not breaking the DL or the UAL scope correct?

Or does the delta scope specifically say that the larger than 70 seat airplanes must be on a different certificate? Is it just the paint job, or is it the certificate that the DL scope allows?

For instance if ASA wasn't wholly owned, could they operate 90 seat airplanes for say, America West under the same cerificate. Would that violate your scope?

Yes, ASA could now fly E190s for AWA, but not for Delta. Republic could fly E170s for DL, and E190s for USAir, but not for DL. Got it?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Indypilot]

Yep, got it.

So to answer the question as to whether or not RJET could operate the 190's, The answer is IF usair scope allows it, then yes RJET could hypothetically operate the 190's without breaking anyone's scope.


So now another few questions to whomever can answer

What exactly is UsAirways scope with their regionals?

Are the mid atlantic 190 orders options? are they 170 orders with the option to upgrade to the 190's, or are they just straight up 190 orders?

Is anyone else thinking that 2 maybe 3 regionals, that also fly for united, that will control the usair board, is kind of weird? Not being a conspiracy theorist here, but think about it for a bit. If mesa gets a deal as well, about 9 board seats and 60-75% of us air equity will be controlled by 3 regionals that are also united regionals...............

US will basically be a collection of assets that united can control throught their regionals. When both come out of Ch11, the takeover could begin. The last time it was washington area competition that stopped it, now the equation is changed a bit with our existance at IAD. Just curious if the thought had crossed anyone else mind.

 

[lowecur]

Look, you said ACA and it is ASA. Two totally different airlines. (ACA is now Indy) If, and I say If, we were to go Chap 11, I think we could get exit financing from different sources, and many Sky Team members would also probably chip in, since that relationship does help them out too. Why do you keep coming up with the "30 day" time limit? We are having a good Spring so far, and the Spring and Summer are our best loads, and the surcharges are sticking to keep the affects of high fuel prices down. If we were to have trouble, it would be after the Summer season ends. By then we will have found a buyer and bought ourselves some time to get through the slow Fall and early Winter time. We have lines of credit through AMEX and GE, and that should keep our cash on hand high enough.

Exit financing would not be a problem, provided your business model was profitable or close to it while in Chapt 11.

I believe you have burned through the GE line, and you were supposed to draw $250M from the AMEX line on 3/1/05. Look GL, if you have anywhere near the loss that you have from operations in the 4th Q($775M), then time is not on your side.

 

[General Lee]

Exit financing would not be a problem, provided your business model was profitable or close to it while in Chapt 11.

I believe you have burned through the GE line, and you were supposed to draw $250M from the AMEX line on 3/1/05. Look GL, if you have anywhere near the loss that you have from operations in the 4th Q($775M), then time is not on your side.

Lowecur,

I still can't believe you stated ACA twice(instead of ASA), when ACA isn't even in the picture. You seem to have an "analcyst" point of view, without really knowing the specifics. Your knowledge of finance seems pretty good, but maybe in other industries. You haven't sat down with people who really are in the know, like the analysts I have pointed out who have ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO OUR MANAGEMENT. Susan Donofrio still has a "buy" rating for Delta. Is she trying to ruin her reputation with her clients? Does she know something that you don't. I think so. I think our losses will get smaller, and fuel surcharges will help. If we sell parts or all of our DCI assets, we will have time on our side for a while, and maybe that is what we need until the other large savings initiatives kick in. We are on our way. Other than that, not much else can be done. The Simplifares program was created to EVENTUALLY produce more revenue---via volume. We closed an unprofitable hub and at the same time created a more efficeint hub in ATL. Things are moving forward...


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ERJDRVR]

Keep in mind Republic & Chautauqua are the same pilots on the same seniority list. Word on the street is that we are adding the 90 pilots from Shuttle America & their certif to slide around the AA scope clause. Simply a shell game to satisfy dif major clauses.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

some of your facts are incorrect...

AA - Nothing over 50 seats period

So if RJET flies all of their 50 seaters (AA,UA,DL,US) under the CHQ certificate, none of the scopes are broken.

So far no scope has been broke right. (The only one in danger is the AA one which is gotten around by the REP certificate.)
QUOTE]

SCOPE was violated at AA with the TWA feed flying as American Connection (AX).

AA continued to fly with the AX and grew AX feed. A $23.6 million award was awarded to the APA for the violation. I am awaiting my check of $1200 to $1800.

Even when CHQ flew the bigger RJ for another carrier, it still violates the SCOPE at AA/APA.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur,

I still can't believe you stated ACA twice(instead of ASA), when ACA isn't even in the picture. I should try "spinning" like you do, maybe that will clear my head. You seem to have an "analcyst" point of view, without really knowing the specifics. Maybe you an your goombah friend Mike do lunch whenever possible, so that you are brought up to date. Your knowledge of finance seems pretty good, but maybe in other industries. Yes, Insurance. You haven't sat down with people who really are in the know, like the analysts I have pointed out who have ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO OUR MANAGEMENT. Susan Donofrio Another Goombah still has a "buy" rating for Delta. Is she trying to ruin her reputation with her clients? No, but maybe she believes another Italian would never embellish the truth to her directly . Does she know something that you don't. I think so. I think our losses will get smaller, and fuel surcharges will help. If we sell parts or all of our DCI assets, we will have time on our side for a while, and maybe that is what we need until the other large savings initiatives kick in. We are on our way. I hope so, but I can't wait for the 1st Q numbers. Other than that, not much else can be done. The Simplifares program was created to EVENTUALLY produce more revenue---via volume. We closed an unprofitable hub and at the same time created a more efficeint hub in ATL. Things are moving forward...


Bye Bye--General Lee

.....No disrespect intended as I am 1/2 Sicilian and the rest Irish. Happy St. Pattys day!

 

[General Lee]

.....No disrespect intended as I am 1/2 Sicilian and the rest Irish. Happy St. Pattys day!

Really? I am 1/2 Irish and the other half Peruvian Indian. I am 5 feet tall(on a good day) but can drink 12 shots of whiskey and still win a bar fight.(always hit LOW---in the gut--I can't reach any higher) I need a booster seat sitting in the 757, though.(the stews call me Tattoo)


Hey, I am sure the numbers won't be great Q1, but they will be getting better as time goes on. I hope we continue to have "time" and a sale of DCI may give us that. Those "goombahs" you were writing about actually have had a look at the "plan" and hopefully they liked it. Thank gawd we have had some fuel surcharges stick, because otherwise we would be sinking even faster.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AA717driver]

Man, this is starting to make the TWA/Icahn Karabu agreement look like a sweet deal... TC

 

[lowecur]

Really? I am 1/2 Irish and the other half Peruvian Indian. I am 5 feet tall(on a good day) but can drink 12 shots of whiskey and still win a bar fight.(always hit LOW---in the gut--I can't reach any higher) I need a booster seat sitting in the 757, though.(the stews call me Tattoo) Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah, I hear you play a mean game of curb racketball.

 

[P38JLightning]

core business

P38,

How can you say selling ASA and Comair wasn't part of the plan all along? We heard a brief outline of what may happen in that crew lounge meeting, and I believe that was one of the things that was on the table. The VP said it was a better idea to make it more competitive and to get back to the core business which was Delta Airlines. He said it was going to be a tough year, but in the end was going to be fine. I am going to believe him......



Bye Bye---General Lee

Ah yes, the core business of outsourcing.

If you were to tell a Delta pilot 10 years ago that Delta would buy/lease/subcontract 500-600 swept wing all glass turbojets, many owned by Delta, all painted Delta, flying Delta code exclusively, coast to coast out of every hub, with millions in profits going to support your competitors, you would never have been believed.

Delta cancels/defers 777 orders, a few weeks later Korean Air picks up almost the same number of 777 options to be used in trans pacific Skyteam codeshare.

But in your crew room briefings managers say it will all be okay and Delta is focusing on its core. Hmmmm. Hey I hope you're right, I really do. Its a great 75 year old airline with good front line people who still act kinda like they work for one big family. I just hate to see these no talent hack Harvard scum run it into the ground by turning it into a virtual airline more and more each day.

 

[General Lee]

Ah yes, the core business of outsourcing.

If you were to tell a Delta pilot 10 years ago that Delta would buy/lease/subcontract 500-600 swept wing all glass turbojets, many owned by Delta, all painted Delta, flying Delta code exclusively, coast to coast out of every hub, with millions in profits going to support your competitors, you would never have been believed.

Delta cancels/defers 777 orders, a few weeks later Korean Air picks up almost the same number of 777 options to be used in trans pacific Skyteam codeshare.

But in your crew room briefings managers say it will all be okay and Delta is focusing on its core. Hmmmm. Hey I hope you're right, I really do. Its a great 75 year old airline with good front line people who still act kinda like they work for one big family. I just hate to see these no talent hack Harvard scum run it into the ground by turning it into a virtual airline more and more each day.

The guy who was saying it is also incharge of your airline (and others). Hmmmm. Sounds like he really knows what will be happening with regard to YOU. This aint no "Chief Pilot or lead LCA."

And about those 777s, I don't really know if Korean got any of our options or not, but we probably weren't ready for them, and they were defered. We are still getting them eventually, and maybe then we can chow on some interesting food in Seoul. We get 2 more 777s in 2006. How many are you getting? I may be able to hold 777 FO by then too. The crew rest facility on our 777s (2 now I think) are really neat. Maybe sometime you will get a tour.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N2264J]

I wonder how much of the $125 Republic financing came from the Delta connection profits. In other words, do you think Deltas "portfolio concept" is actually now helping USAirways, its competitor?

Yes.

Delta, albeit indirectly, is ceding money to prop up it's bankrupt competition at the expense of it's own shareholders while at the same time tettering on the brink of Chapter 11 itself. Remind me again of the virtues of the portfollio concept. Is it worth this terrible price in a service based industry to keep labor down? Southwest management thinks that having the employees on your side is an advantage.

Could it get any wackier? You would hope the corporate memory would be a little bit longer. When Delta parked all their DC-9s that were replaced by the MD-80, they were bought by Value Jet, now Air Tran, who proceeded to beat Delta about the head and shoulders with those same airplanes out of Atlanta, their own home terf.

Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, I'm a moron. Good goes around!