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October 24, 2002


This is Roy Freundlich with a US Airways MEC update for Thursday, October 24, with four new items:
Item 1. The Company posted Permanent Bid 03-01 today. The effective month of the bid is January 2003.

The drivers of the bid include:

Reduction of 102 Captains Positions.
Minimum furlough of 326 total pilots on January 7, 2003.
Further reduction of 145 total pilots. Release date yet to be determined (Jan-Apr).
Reduction of block time.


Bid 03-01 includes 221 furloughs in addition to the over 530 pilot furloughs announced in Bid 02-03.

Your MEC representatives are extremely disappointed in management’s continuing focus on increasing pilot furloughs. This furlough is announced without an additional fleet reduction, and reflects reduced aircraft utilization through a reduction of block time.

Item 2. The announced furloughs in bids 02-03 and 03-01 are affecting pilots who are in their 12, 13, 14 and 15th year of service for US Airways. The total pilot furloughs announced since the Restructuring Agreement became effective are up at least 750 pilots. There will be over 1800 pilots on furlough if all furloughs become effective. This would be over a 30 percent reduction to our pilot workforce.

Unfortunately, management has not produced any tangible results from the small jet authority in the Restructuring Agreement and the Jets for Jobs program.

Management has not announced any startup dates for MidAtlantic Airways and appears to be extending its anticipated startup to late 2003 or early 2004.

Management announced this week that it has reached a commercial agreement with Mesa Air Group to begin flying 20 additional 50-seat small jets as part of the US Airways Express network. However, the Mesa pilots’ MEC, which is supportive of the Jets for Jobs concept, is still in negotiations with its management over this issue.

Mesa‘s management has taken hostile approaches to ALPA pilots. The Mesa pilots have been battling Mesa management’s efforts, headed by Jonathan Ornstein, to form an alter ego, non-union airline, called Freedom Airlines. The startup of Freedom Airlines will have the effect of stealing small jet flying jobs from the Mesa Air Group’s ALPA-represented pilots, which include furloughed CC Air pilots. Jonathan Ornstein’s shut down of CC Air operations is part of his continuing effort to undermine the good faith bargaining rights of CC Air ALPA pilots.

ALPA President Captain Duane Woerth would not sign a substandard contract for small jet flying at CC Air and remains opposed to the Mesa Air Group’s formation of Freedom Airlines as an alter-ego carrier. On July 17, 2002, ALPA International filed suit in U.S. District Court against Mesa Airlines, Mesa Air Group, and Jonathon Ornstein to have the Court cease their efforts to undermine the organizational rights of Mesa Airlines pilots.

The US Airways MEC supports the Mesa MEC and their pilots’ efforts in their negotiations to accept the Jets for Jobs protocol in order to allow for Mesa’s ability to operate small jets under US Airways code, and the Mesa pilots and ALPA International’s stance against the formation of Freedom Airlines.

Management has also announced that it is pursuing a commercial agreement with Midway Airlines, which is still in bankruptcy and is unable to operate. The schedule for Midway’s emergence from bankruptcy continues to be delayed.

To date, no additional small jets under the Jets for Jobs Protocol, as required by the Restructuring Agreement, have been added to US Airways’ operation to enhance the Company’s revenue capability.

Please remember we have 1,070 pilots on furlough, with 286 furloughs scheduled for November 5, 326 pilot furloughs scheduled for January 7, and 145 additional pilot furloughs anticipated through April 2003
 
The additional furloughs sure do suck! I was hired hired in 99 and was furloughed last December. There is a guy in my reserve unit that was hired by US Air in 89, furloughed for about 7 years, back for 3 years then gets furloughed again next month.
I've been very fortunate though, I just got hired by ATA in Sept. and am currently awaiting a class date. I see that you are an L1011 F/O, are you with ATA?

Later:eek:
 
Conrats on your ATA Job

Yes I do work for ATA, I was hired in July and currently on the L-1011. I worked for US Air from 9/99 to 12/01. It will not be long before you start class. Again congrats for your new job and welcome aboard.:D
 
FNG & BYEUSAIR

How does a guy get an app from ATA? I requested one through the "careers" section of the ATA web site but no luck.
Appreciate the inside gouge.

Thanks,

Rice :cool:
 
ByeUSAir said:
FNG,

Where did you fly the C-21. I flew them at KOFF, best AF job I ever had!

I flew C-21's at Andrews, it was a great way to finish my active duty time.



Rice, first you have to send them a resume and then they will send you an app. I had a friend from my reserve unit that works for ATA, so he walked my resume in and then I recieved an app. about 2 months later. Best of luck to you!


:eek:
 
ATA

FNG,
Thanks for the gouge. Unfortunately I've got no "Buds" working at ATA, so much for getting my res0 walked in. Guess next time I'm at MDW I'll just have to buy lots of beer at Mr. C's and see if someone would be kind enough to drop one off for me or pick me up an app. Just another form of networking I guess.

Rice :cool:
Keeper of the Faith
 
Hi!

I've heard that USAir furloughees have no problem resigning their number, because they do not think they will EVER get recalled! That sucks for sure!

Cliff
GRB
 
Question

How far back (concerning date of hire) will the Jan 2003 furlough include?? How far back in the current date of hire for furloughs?
 
Let me get out my trusty calculator....

'03 furloughs - 15 years

Next week's furloughs - 13 years

Some career expectation, huh? Dave may just furlough the whole airline before it's all over.
 
I am very dismayed to hear of these further furloughs especially going back so far.

One question I do have is how much time do these people that have been at USAirways over 15 years have before they have to retire?

Is it possible that there would be recalls sooner because of the loss of the un-furloughed pilots just through retirement attrition?

Would it not be more prudent to set up early retirement incentives instead of cutting the bottom end of the company out? Paying all those senior salaries cannot be as cheap as keeping some of the less senior people. If the company made some sweet deals and individuals took advantage of it voluntarily more people may not be so stung by this quagmire.

I wish the best for all of us!
 
It really does break my heart to hear of more furloughs at my former airline.

US Airways is a class operation, with some fantastic employees flying some great equipment. I really enjoyed my time there. Unfortunately, the company has not been well-managed and is in an awful place in the industry.

I've been non-revving on US Airways a lot lately, and despite the turmoil, those folks continue to do a great job.

My sympathies are with the guys/gals who are soon to be on the street, especially since the job market is in the pits right now. I realize that I've been very lucky to be able to keep working thanks to the military, and now JetBlue.

All of you still unemployed, or soon to be unemployed, you have my best wishes. Good luck.
 
To answer Fearless Freep:

"One question I do have is how much time do these people that have been at USAirways over 15 years have before they have to retire?"

Good question. It runs the gamut from 1 year to 23 years. USAirways retirement numbers are pretty small until 2006, when it picks up to around 250 per year for the next ten years. Hopefully guys will go early, but you can't count on that.

"Is it possible that there would be recalls sooner because of the loss of the un-furloughed pilots just through retirement attrition?"

It didn't work that way last time and I doubt it will this time until 2006 when the numbers start becoming more substantial. This, of course, assumes USAirways still exists in 2006.

"Would it not be more prudent to set up early retirement incentives instead of cutting the bottom end of the company out? Paying all those senior salaries cannot be as cheap as keeping some of the less senior people. If the company made some sweet deals and individuals took advantage of it voluntarily more people may not be so stung by this quagmire."

The retirement fund is badly under-funded. This has been looked at, but it can't be done at the current funding levels. There is no way the company has any money to offer incentives. They have been offering voluntary leaves that include insurance and longevity accrual. Only 8 or 9 pilots took them last time. That did, in fact, save 8 or 9 pilots, for a few months anyway.

As a former 7 year 3 month furloughee I can say with confidence that neither USAirways, ALPA, or the active pilots will do anything for you during your time on furlough.

Lest someone flame me for that last comment, my ALPA brothers did start paying for medical insurance during the last few years of the last furlough and they are paying for it for the furloughed pilots now. Unfortunately the MEC just came out with an 18 month limit on the medical insurance payments.

Typhoonpilot
 
WHile a bankruptys allows a company to reorganize and lower its costs. It also requires a return to profitability. As of today U was still $300+ million away from this goal, this is after the announced furloughs.

Their are two big problems facing USAir

The obvious first one is, the economy. If you went BK two years ago(a la TWA) you would have a much simpler time proving an abitlity to return to profitability(higher yeilds available). In todays economy Seigle has his back against the wall. The only good thing I see coming out of this is a slim and trim U. If he can pull it off U will be set up for the long haul and once the economy turns they should be in a very good position(low costs). But that's a very big IF.......

The not so obvious second one is United. If UAL is forced to declare BK, then U will get lost in the shuffle. All of the creditors will be way to busy with UAL to deal with things like Seigle wanting to lower lease payments on 9-767 for the second time. Right now he is the only one they are dealing with, in a month or two their answer will be,"park them and call us when you want to pay our price, we're too concerned with UAL's fleet". He needs to pull this off quickly.
 

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