More Eagle Furloughs

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Some of these people didn’t even meet the minimums to interview at American but yet they have jobs, riding the coat tails of TWA into AA.

What could those mins be? I gave a 727 SO a ride home who had 700 TT.

 

[ifly4food]

Re: This is what amazes me!!!

The one aspect of all of this that amazes me, is AA keeps the TWA pilots but yet they furlough their own pilots. Some of these people didn’t even meet the minimums to interview at American but yet they have jobs, riding the coat tails of TWA into AA. Guys who met the minimums, interviewed and got hired by AA & Eagle are now furloughed, and facing the possibility of being ejected from commercial aviation. Some of these eagle guys were shipped all around the country by management and what do they get for their sacrifice, a furlough letter.

Ummm, according to ALPA, there is a much higher percentage of TWA pilots furloughed than AA pilots. Better check your facts.
www.alpa.org

According to the TWA MEC, American Airlines announced the furlough of an additional 61 TWA pilots. The total number of TWA pilots on furlough or with furlough notices now stands at 290, or 13.2 percent of the total number of TWA pilots. In contrast, 595 (4.9 percent) of American's pilots are on furlough. “This announcement stands in
stark contrast to American Airlines CEO Don Carty’s promise to ALPA President Duane Woerth and members of the U. S. Congress that furloughs between the two carriers would not occur disproportionately,” said TWA MEC Vice
Chairman John Heffley. Once the National Mediation Board makes a single carrier determination, “American
management has promised its employees that it will ‘reshuffle’ the furloughs, recalling American pilots to TWA pilot positions, and furloughing additional TWA pilots,” he said.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

I think what Scramjet is saying is that Eagle and APA pilots are "in the AMR family" and the TWA guys are not. As far as not meeting the mins for interviewing, I can only speak for my class at TWA. We didn't have one guy that didn't meet Americans mins. I know that we (TWA) have hired some low time folks in the past with quality LOR's but which of the majors have not? I know that SWA (and I think AMR) requires a certain amount of PIC Turbine (as defined by FAR Part 1) But everyone in my class met these mins.
BTW, I am furloughed, too.

 

[ScRaMJeT]

You must look at AMR and Eagle as one!

In response to ifly4food's quote:

"The total number of TWA pilots on furlough or with furlough notices now stands at 290, or 13.2 percent of the total number of TWA pilots. In contrast, 595 (4.9 percent) of American's pilots are on furlough."

You must remember ifly4food that they are not including eagle pilots in these numbers. You should know better then that ifly4food . I went to that site but I couldn't find furlough numbers for eagle anywhere. (A more specific link would be appreciated.) In writing my statement I was lumping eagle and AA mainline into one group. If you look at them as one group then there hasn't been disproportionate furloughs between the two carriers. It may even be the other way around, but without hard numbers I would be speculating.

Another by product of this mess, is that it is pitting AA mainline pilots against there brethren.

Either way it goes I still believe if a TWA pilot was below 40 years old, he should have to re-interview, with no gurantees.

And DIAMONDDD you say that everyone in your class met Americans mins but in your next breath you say "I think AMR requires a certain amount of PIC turbine". How would you know if everyone in your class met Americans mins, if you don't even know them now. American requires 500 pic turbine, among other things. And you must also remember that if a pilot did get hired with 700 hrs tt(I hope not light singles) do you think that they would tell everyone in their class. They would probably say I have 4000 total with 2000 in corporate jets, just to make them feel like part of the gang. " I flew a gulfstream up and down the west coast for a few years, ohh yeaahhhhh. ''

Take care young fellows and stay outta my planes wake.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

The reason I know that everyone in my class met the mins was that everyone in my class was a Turbine Captain for their respective regional airline. Each had a few years as a captain under their belt. Two were RJ Capts and still two others were Check Airmen. I know being a Check Airman doesn't automatically mean at least X amount of hours as a PIC but even at SWA's 1000 hr min PIC, usually a Check Airman has that covered. I had 4800 hrs and two jet type ratings. I had 1500 hrs of Jet PIC. That doesn't mean that I am an old salty dog but it DOES mean I no longer had to look to see what the mins were whenever I was applying (Except for the SWA 737 type thing that used to be there) Trust me, everyone in my class met the mins.

By the way I personally Don't feel that everyone under the age of 40 at TWA should have to interview with no guarantees. I am sure that most eagle guys DO and I am sure as heck sure most TWA guys do NOT.
DD

 

[FLYnMONKEYS]

"In writing my statement I was lumping eagle and AA mainline into one group. "

Why would you lop them together Scram? They are seperate companies.

Scram also wrote......."Either way it goes I still believe if a TWA pilot was below 40 years old, he should have to re-interview, with no gurantees"

Dude, get the crack pipe out of your mouth. That is the stupidest thing I've seen yet. BTW no matter what you believe everyone has a right to recall even the most jr TWA pilot, as per the integration agreement. BTW she has a EMB145 type. She must be one of those underqualified TWA types.........what are you typed in?


Back to the original argument. Scope is in place to prevent outsourcing. I don't think Eagle has expanded routes, but I know AA wants relief on the CAP. That would be expanding ASMs which would indicate an expansion. So, if any expanision occurs with AA pilots on furlough APA's scope pushes this issue in favor of it's pilots. It's about protecting the guys under you to protect yourself. In this industry all people worry about is themselves and the next guy junior to them. If the junior man is safe so are you. That's just how it is. Doesn't matter what's fair or right. (BTW Eagle could have(should have) negotiated scope into that 15 year ugly duckling of a contract)

 

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