More cuts at USAirways

[PCL_128]

Then I take it you guys don't sit around much on "productivity breaks"?

Rarely. You can do a 4-day trip and never have longer than a 1 hour turn. The occasional trip will have a long break, but that's the exception, not the rule.

 

[SizzleChest]

Facts are facts, Joey. Our pilots get more days off, credit more, and are still limited to 12 hours max duty. A 4-day trip doesn't have to be low productivity. I don't know where you're coming up with that nonsense. Simple math: 8 hours/day X 4 days = 24 hours block.

8x4=24?!!

 

[PCL_128]

8x4=24?!!

Haha. Good catch. Should have been 6 x 4. That's about the average block per day on our trips.

 

[trainer8]

Facts are facts, Joey...

:erm: Hmmmm..."Facts are stubborn things." --John Adams

I don't know where you're coming up with that nonsense.

Danger! Danger!

Simple math: 8 hours/day X 4 days = 24 hours block

Must be ALPA math...:smash:

 

[JoeMerchant]

Facts are facts, Joey. Our pilots get more days off, credit more, and are still limited to 12 hours max duty. A 4-day trip doesn't have to be low productivity. I don't know where you're coming up with that nonsense. Simple math: 8 hours/day X 4 days = 24 hours block. Add in some soft time and you can get by with only doing three of these a month. and still crediting way above guarantee. I hear your pilots whining constantly about 12-13 day off lines. Those are a rarity here. Almost every line is 15-18 days off with credit over 85. A limited duty day doesn't hurt your days off with efficient trips.

....and how many 3 day trips do you do? Those who like 3 day trips vs. 4 day trips should be careful about wanting shorter duty days.....If you want to try and get an average weekly trip value of 21 hours of flying and you limit the duty day....You will end up with more 4 day trips...Facts are facts....and math is math....

 

[Bdfg1]

JoeMerchant,

Don't you realize by now that PFT_128 only deals with facts when they benefit him? When they prove him wrong they are not facts and you get put on his dreaded "ignore" list.

See ya!

 

[JAB31]

Back on topic for a second.........Does anybody know when/how furlough notices are dealt with and when the first furloughs will happen ? Not much info out there and I think my head is on the chopping block! Thanks and good luck to all guys/gals getting furloughed...

 

[greyskyracer]

Is airways still taking e190 deliverys? Are most guys planing on working to 65 over there?

Thank you

 

[WSurf]

Is airways still taking e190 deliverys? Are most guys planing on working to 65 over there?

Thank you

Yes, Yes.

 

[MK82Man]

Really? Actually, the numbers are from the list that came out just in the last few weeks directly from USAPA. There are 167 pilots at the bottom of the east (seperate and third) list who are either new hires or CEL, of which 14 show resigned, leaving 153. Furloughs were originally slated to go into them by 125 numbers leaving 28 still working. Now, that 125 number has supposedly been reduced into the 90's by some voluntary leaves, but it's still nowhere near getting into even the most junior previously furloughed US pilot. Meanwhile those of us on the west with over four years of continuous service are going to get the axe while USAPA does nothing. Remember, they represent us too, all this other crap not withstanding. You can't have it both ways by sending out bills and threatening letters and not providing representation at the same time.

BTW, there's nothing inconsistent with my numbers and Lears'.

Well Bad Cat -- hear we are another 10 days later and still silence from UCRAPPA. Mainline AWA pilots will begin to lose their jobs (we hear 20, 30, 40) beginning in September and continuing at that rate until the 175 are gone. Of course, no official info from management and UCRAPPER hasn’t told us anything. We are supposed to have a displacement/downgrade bid here shortly but again, no info. Why, USCABBER doesn’t care about the West. It was created to disenfranchise the West and benefit the East. To stall the implementation of the Nic Award. Wonder how many East mainline FOs are going to take the downgrade to the 190 FO seat at half the pay. My guess, all of them. A scab is a guy who unfairly takes another pilots job. We had negotiation, mediation, and arbitration, but the East never liked the answers. But now that 3 times as many West guys are being furloughed (10% vs. 3%), the East likes that answer. Silence from UCRAPPER. I know one of the AWA Captains being sued by USCABBER. He’s had to fork over $5,000 bucks to join the other 9 pilots to post the $50,000 retainer required by the lawyer to fight the UCAPPER lawsuit. But the AWA pilots are rallying to their defense and all 1700 of us will soon send at least $100.00 for their legal defense. So we start with 170K to help them fight off UCRAPPER. What a waste of time and money. The East wall huggers that let that crap come into existence and the guys that actually voted for them should be having serious second thoughts. Or maybe since you get to keep your job, while West pilots are furloughed, maybe it is working out fine for you after all. Sure looks like the East pilots benefit at the expense of the West pilots.