More CR7's for American Eagle

[LavMan]

10 years in March for me in the right seat.

And one month of senority you can hold SJU. Yeah buddy! Get your bid in!

 

[shroomwell]

Sorry to hear that guys. At least there aren't any flowbacks in the left seat.

 

[pipejockey]

Wait until the 90-seaters show up at Eagle.

Surely you are not in support of that are you? I just don't understand why so many rj guys want larger and larger jets at the useless regionals instead of at mainline, creating jobs where the most money can be made.

 

[Full of LUV]

Not the biggest factor....

Yes, we are on the same page here. Because the military guys will flat out refuse to fly the RJ's and turbo props because of pay, you will never see all of an airlines flying brought back into the domain of the mainline pilots where it belongs. So those in this industry who have not gone the military route but instead went civilian with a regional and perhaps didn't get their regional job until 30 years old or so, and are stuck in the quagmire of one of the several airlines with 10 year upgrades, these folks will not get the PIC time needed for a job at a major until they are well into their 40's. And because mainline pilots will never approve anything that would require their military buddies to have to fly regional aircraft at regional pay for a few years, even though they would all be on the same list as everyone else, and given time would be able to hold an aircraft with 100+ seats and be on major pay, as a result 70% of the regional pilots will be stuck at these puke regionals for the rest of their lives.

Destroying the careers of many thousands of civilian pilots stuck at the regionals by keeping separate seniority lists thus blocking them from mainline equipment, just to protect the military to mainline superhighway seems a tad unjust. Ever hear the saying that the good of the many outweigh the good of the few?

I still think that the number of military pilots entering the civilian market is a tiny fraction of what it was just 10 years ago. The military is flying much less fixed wing aircraft nowadays and that is steadily going to uav over time. Alot of the transport stuff is contracted out, so really what you have is a plethora of rotorheads and low time pilots that aren't able to leave the military until age 30 at the earliest. They are not the Boogeyman. I think age 65 with the economy has done more to arrest your budding airline career than any other factor.
Luv

 

[OUjetdrvr]

the useless regionals instead of at mainline, creating jobs where the most money can be made.

Stop thinking like a pilot and apply some business economics....if that kind of money could have been made with those aircraft at that level it already would be post script...think of the Fokker at AA.
We are simply picking up the pieces of artifacts from the battlefield.

 

[pipejockey]

the useless regionals instead of at mainline, creating jobs where the most money can be made.

Stop thinking like a pilot and apply some business economics....if that kind of money could have been made with those aircraft at that level it already would be post script...think of the Fokker at AA.
We are simply picking up the pieces of artifacts from the battlefield.

Yes, like the vultures we have all become. And perhaps things should be changed a bit with less emphasis on the business economics of it all and more to the human element of it. It looks like you may be an Eagle pilot. You prove my point about the regional pilots only interested in short term gain as opposed to long term future, especially for those who come after us. Good ole capitalist greed. Well the mainline pilots have the ability to remedy this situation we are in today by agreeing to fly anything with less than 100 seats at current regional rates, the new b scale if you will, and once seniority permits and they can hold an aircraft with greater than 100 seats they are on A scale. It is the best of an all around bad situation in this industry. Seat locks and fences to keep the regional guys from being furlough fodder, and the mainline guys from being displaced by senior regional guys and once all mainline furloughed guys have been recalled, then its whatever your seniority can hold. But that brings up my point about the good ole boys club of military pilots up at mainline that will never allow that because they will not have their buddies have to be hired on as an rj pilot for a few years. Thus most guys at the regionals these days are progressing down a dead end road. Unless flying a regional jet 18 days a month, up to 5 legs a day, for 20 to 80 grand a year is your idea of a good career.

 

[Draginass]

the useless regionals instead of at mainline, creating jobs where the most money can be made.

Stop thinking like a pilot and apply some business economics....if that kind of money could have been made with those aircraft at that level it already would be post script...think of the Fokker at AA.
We are simply picking up the pieces of artifacts from the battlefield.

The only reason regionals may be making a little money is because of the parasite fee-for-departure schemes. Try flying an RJ using real economics and they'd be gone. The F100 was unsupportable maintenance-wise, which cause it's demise.