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November 21, 2008
ALPA IS NOT A QUICK FIX
Dear Colgan Pilot:
Many of you have never been involved with a union before and may wonder what it
would actually mean to you and the Company if ALPA wins the election. A number of you have
been told by ALPA supporters that you will get higher wages and other improvements if you
vote for ALPA. That is not necessarily the case. The Company is only under an obligation to
bargain in good faith with ALPA if it wins the election. This means you might get more than
what you presently have the same as what you presently have, or less than what you presently
have. ALPA can not guarantee you any improvements.
A number of our pilots are under the impression that ALPA would immediately achieve
gains for the Colgan pilots if they are elected. This also is not true. The average time for
achieving contracts in these examples was 24 months.
Pinnacle started negotiations with ALPA in the summer of 2004 to amend its contract. It
has now been over four years and there still is no contract at Pinnacle. The reason is that
ALPA’s economic demands at Pinnacle have been so unreasonable that the company has not
been able to agree to a new contract. We do not know how long it would take for Colgan and
ALPA to reach a contract. It would depend on the positions of both ALPA and the Company at
the bargaining table
These are the facts. We hope you will consider these points in the upcoming election.

The Above was another item my email provider labeled as junk... aka a memo from Buddy Casey... CEO of Colgan.

To all of you at PCL... Keep the faith! You have my support!

As far as Buddy's bull$hit.... sitting at a table bargaining in good faith is more then you have done so far... more then that slap in the face pilot group you started last year... which hasn't been updated the website...in Ummmm 11 months...

We most certinaly won't be working for less, oh... and if you think for one second that the PCL pilots will put up with this $hit over here, by "wanting our flying"... you are sadly mistaken. They have it better then we do now, they aren't going to go backwards!

Oh... yea ONE LAST THING! 99% That's a fact you can't ignore!

We will see at the table BUDDY!

V1​
 
Don't buy into their B.S. 9E pilots have the advantage that we do not have... a voice at the barganing table.

Ask one of your peers in Texas about Hurricane Ike and the "weather cancellation" policy.

Vote ALPA!!!
 
All I have to say about 9E management is :puke:. Trenary, Casey, Shockey, White, Foley, Lombardo, Toy, et al can lick my balls.
 
November 21, 2008

To our fellow Colgan pilots:

Yesterday, Colgan managers circulated among the pilot group an unsigned, undated flier entitled “The Pinnacle Pilots Want Your Flying”. The letter indicates that ALPA represented pilots at Pinnacle are negotiating to protect themselves and the results of these negotiations could affect us.

The letter seems to suggest that because Pinnacle pilots have the legal right to negotiate over job security and economic issues that are important to them, and are doing just that, we should reject ALPA representation. The letter goes on to imply that we should rely on management to safeguard our interests and protect us. Before considering that outcome for yourself, you should be aware that it’s not just Pinnacle pilots who have made proposals regarding Colgan flying. Pinnacle management has also proposed that the Pinnacle and Colgan seniority lists be integrated and that we work under a single contract under certain circumstances.

We are willing to put our names at the bottom of this letter because we believe the answers to certain questions are obvious to all of us and we are willing to have that discussion with every Colgan pilot. Those questions include:

 Do we really want to trust our careers to, and rely on suggestions about our future from, people who won’t sign their names to a letter, aren’t able to answer our legitimate questions, and can’t be held accountable in the future?

 Does Colgan’s record over the past few years provide any basis to believe that management has the power and will to protect us?

 Wouldn’t it be better to have representatives we elect sit at the bargaining table, get advice from our own experts and lawyers, and argue for our pilot group’s future and best interests?

 Why does management want us to forgo the same rights that Pinnacle pilots have and why are they trying to build tension and mistrust of fellow pilots?

 And why, despite management’s professed desire to talk and work openly with us, do they wait until the start of an election to send unsigned letters and recycle old stories like CCAir, all while they continue to remove ALPA information from non-work areas in crew lounges?

We want to answer your questions and so does the Pinnacle pilot leadership. Neither pilot group knows or can predict the decisions that management will make except to know that the corporation’s interests will be served. They may decide to keep us separate or merge us; operate fully independently or give each pilot group the opportunity to bid vacancies at the other; combine more operational functions than have already been integrated or not. No matter what their decision is, aren’t we better off with a seat at the table and a voice in our future?

Management tried the same old CCAir story last year and we will repost the OC’s response from July 31, 2007 on our webpage.

The choice before us is clear. Do we want a seat at the bargaining table – like management has – or do we want them to speak for us? The attached handout contains additional information about the allegations made in yesterday’s letter. Pinnacle MEC Chair CA Scott Erickson has appeared at many of our events and will continue to join us at our information sessions to answer any questions you might have. You can also forward questions to him via the link on the top right of our website.

For more information about ALPA, the merger policy, or representation, please visit our website at www.alpa.org/colgan or ask any member of the Organizing Committee listed below.

In unity,

The Colgan Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee
 
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Sharp letter guys... good reply to the unsigned letter! Keep it up!

The union busting playbook is old and tattered!
 
Sharp letter guys... good reply to the unsigned letter! Keep it up!

The union busting playbook is old and tattered!

Management has awoken from their slumber to "communicate" with the pilot group only days before an election. Don't buy it people. Ask the Godfather about CCAir (he was there). Ask an ALPA pilot what they would do in our situation. Anyone who is at all informed will tell you that representation is a MUST!

www.alpa.org/colgan
 
ALPA screwed the CCAir pilots anyone who claims differently has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The CCAir pilots approved a contract by 87% in favor. Duane Woerthless refused to sign it. Those are the only relevant facts. The Colgan pilots need to pay extremely close attention to how ALPA treated CCAir because the same thing will happen to them at some point. Are the PNCL pilots offering insurance against that? nope. Could they? Of Course. If the PNCL pilots wanted to they could waive any right to the aircraft types flown by Colgan. Will they do it? Not a chance in hell. Ask them, they will dance around the issue but never answer.
 

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