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More bad press for ASA/Delta

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Yesterdays USATODAY Travel section had another artical about ASA's poor operations performance.

Would someone be good enough to go to the website and copy the artical onto this thread. My computer is acting up when I try to copy/paste.

The Headline read "Delta operations dogged by carrier ASA" or something close.

Maybe Delta will give ASA more money to improve the problems we face.
 
Yes, that article did provide some bad press for Delta, and Delta must find a way to help that situation. It really is "you get what you pay for." They should stop trolling the prisons for recently released prisoners, and find some people who want to work and do well. I thought ATL was a "hospitality" city that wants conventions etc.... Wrong. Just go to any of the fast food joints in the many terminals and see how fast and nice your service is.

Bye Bye--General Lee:rolleyes:
 
Well the good news is that ASA does not fly out of Atlanta as much as we used to. Come to think of it we don't fly out of anywhere as much as we used to. But if the bags were loaded on a Comair, Chautauqua, Eagle, or ACA jet then things ould be better. What ever, glad I have another job...
 
There is no such thing as southern hospitality anywhere around Atlanta.

Our overall numbers are affected primarily by ATL. There were problems in DFW after the expansion but that is being weeded out and there has been much improvement. There are other areas that need to be improved, but ATL has the greatest impact.

There is a good side to CA coming to ATL. They are reporting directly to DAL and DCI about the problems there.

In the past, when we reported a problem it went through the channels to the dept. mgrs. and the exec VP's and nowhere else. They didn't want to acknowledge problems they were responsible for so they just blamed the flight crews, who can't defend themselves, and kept the Sr. VP's and higher in the blind.

Now the cat's out of the bag and there are incentives to make improvements in the proper areas. Our last Ops news letter was the first to address performance without singling-out flight crews. Hopefully, the initiatives they outlined will have a positive effect.

It was also good to see in that article that DAL recognizes it's part in our performance as they handle our bags, special needs, etc.

Our performance is one of the things holding us back, along with the contract (which we can't cave on since we're already under compensated and lack the work rules the other DCI carriers have) and scope agreements between DAL/DALPA. Once these issues are cleared up there will be movement again.
 
It never made sense to me why the airlines don't exercise a helluva lot more control over the airport employees who have contact with our customers (TSA, Food Clerks). The airlines are the alpha-omega, without us the show stops. The customers pay us and we pay everyone else. There needs to be some serious
butt-kicking from the top on down until we get to the point where hearing "yes sir, thank-you mam" in correct grammatical and clearly understood english is not the extreme exception, but the norm.

And don't get me started on the media, they are more determined after 9/11 to shread airlines at will and no one steps in to say "help the ecenomy by helping the airline industry rebound as quick as possible, stop the bad press or you'll be working in Uncle Nunzios' linguine mines.
 
General:

You are quite right about the quality of the work force on the ATL ramp, not to mention middle management responisble for them. A few days ago I had a chance to speak to one of the senior people for customer service at the Ritz Carlton. I asked him how they have absolutely fantastic service and attention to detail. He said it's not just paying more money, they do a lot of pre-screening with a personality test. They also have very skilled interviewers who are able to get a real feel for the applicant. For the new Ritz in Jamaica they screened 5000 applicants to get 500 employees. These employees are entry-level service people, but they somehow always have a smile and take pride in their work.

The Ritz in Atlanta and Buckhead really have the same group of people to draw from as does ASA, they make it work and we can't.

I wish Delta would think outside of the box and see how other successful companies recruit and select entry-level and middle management employees.
 
ASA press

I'm very glad the AJC and the USA Today are
printing these articles. Hopefully it put some
pressure on management to fix some of this crap.
Just keep the bad press coming!

601Pilot
 
I agree

I think you are right. The last one recieved a good bit of internal attention.

Again I think that the more bad press we get, will get Delta to funnel more money in the areas that are lacking, I think technology could make a big dent in some of the process.

Time will tell.
 
Bring on the bad press if it's the only way to get us fixed. It's kind of like an intervention. Maybe we can finally get clean. Management is certainly beginning to walk the walk. I've noticed greatly improved conditions on the ramp, with rampers actually concerned about getting us parked. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall in some of the recent meetings at all levels. We still have a lot of ground to cover, though.

I suggest that ASA pilots give a pat on the back when it is deserved. Let them know that we notice and care...not that they have to answer to us, but it still helps.
 
I would have to say that lately we have been getting much better service, faster parking,. etc..
They have hired several new rampers.

It may have been just be a fluke though. Was it a full moon last week?
 
I feel bad for the ASA crews because I know they are great people and work hard to make it happen right. The workers in ATL are pathetic and they bring it down for ASA. We at ACA face the same situation in IAD and ORD with the piss-poor United rampers who's attitudes are so poor you just want to jump out of the cockpit and ring their necks as you watch your on-time performance go down the tubes as they strut around the ramp like lost sloths.
 
Do what I do... carry a digital camera and attach a pic to the CCL (Crew Comm Letter - otherwise known as Couldn't Care Less).

They say that pic is worth a thousand words... try a pic of the ASA rampies in CHA with their shirts off suntaning on top of the bags that they were suppose to be loading.... Priceless!

In ATL, you don't even need a video camera as there is no motion.... just a bunch of guys standing in the same place.

Waiting for a wheel chair (38 min) got a pic of one of the rampies down a couple of gates SITTING IN THE WHEEL CHAIR WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. Great use of my 10x zoom lens. :rolleyes:
 
70Cuda said:
I feel bad for the ASA crews because I know they are great people and work hard to make it happen right. The workers in ATL are pathetic and they bring it down for ASA. We at ACA face the same situation in IAD and ORD with the piss-poor United rampers who's attitudes are so poor you just want to jump out of the cockpit and ring their necks as you watch your on-time performance go down the tubes as they strut around the ramp like lost sloths.

Unh, unless things have changed in the past few months, those are ACA employees (rampers) in IAD and ORD. Believe me, the service ACA receives there is exponentially better than what ASA/CMR receives in ATL.
 
They say that pic is worth a thousand words... try a pic of the ASA rampies in CHA with their shirts off suntaning on top of the bags that they were suppose to be loading.... Priceless!

BROKE IN CVG

That is priceless!!! lol...What was the response to your CCL?
 
CCL response

the few CCLs i've gotten back on ATL have been in the form of a form letter, which claims they are "studying solutions" and "reallocating resources". yeah whatever...
 
ASSA bad press

heard delta was looking for another regional somtime in 04 or 05. any comment general lee?
 
I finished a three day trip a couple of days ago. We went to DFW and hubbed out of there for the whole trip. It was amazing how my stress level went down as we escaped from Atlanta. Our whole trip went like clockwork, we were on time in DFW, DCA, JAN--no problems and everyone worked together. The one glitch was a late arriving aircraft (from ATL of course), but we still made up the time back to DFW and arrived 8 mins early and were parked right away.

I really think the majority of problems faced by ASA are the ATL ramp. If we EVER get that worked out we may be productive airline, not to mention a happier airline. Doing day lines out of Atlanta just gets you frustrated at the lazy idiots.

Broke in CVG.....PLEASE post that pic, we all need a good laugh:D
 

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