Moral sinking at FLOPS

[Freedom]

Still don't have an answer yet for this Bob19.....

During the Campaign for Union Representation, Bob19 stated repeatedly how he was an Air Force Top Gun, how he was only use to associating with the best, how we needed to thin the herd to retain only the best.

Then the question was put to him as to what would happen if say we got rid of the bottom 10% of the Pilot talent pool (with Bob19 being the judge). What would happen next year? Wouldn't there be a new bottom 10%? In 5 years using this methodology, wouldn't we be half way (50%) thru the current talent pool presently on the property?

Bob19 had no answer for this question.

Bottom Line: For the most part, a Pilot is a Pilot. If we can pass our minimum required standards, that should be enough. Each of us have our strengths and weaknesses. We are all individual people.

But what Bob19 wants the ability to do, is to select who he keeps on the property and who he kicks off, without the review of an independent body. This smells of a God complex; that he thinks because he was the best of the best, that he should be the one to decide who stays and who goes.

Well B19, its not the top 5% that makes the operation operate. It is the average Pilot just going about his daily duties. Something most of us would have been perfectly happy doing if we hadn't been abused by YOU and Scheeringa.

As a result of that abuse, "You got what you asked for...." A Union. And we ain't going away.

Once we get our Contract, it will be YOU that is out the door. Perhaps you realize this; that could explain why you are fighting so hard to splinter this Pilot group, in an attempt to prevent us from obtaining a Contract.

Once again, you under estimate the resolve of this Pilot Group.

We will obtain a Fair Contract or the Doors will be closed.

Freedom is Not Free

Seems like you want to run your Pilot force just like the Sales Force of a Car Dealer. If I just filter out the bottom each and every year, I'll keep the Fear of God (Bob19) in these employees, and get them to work their tails off constantly running scared.

That type of environment may work for you as the one pulling the strings Bob19, but I don't think you'll find many Professional Pilots who wish to work in that type of environment.

Once again folks, we see how Bob19 picks and chooses what he will respond to. When faced with an argument he cannot win, he hides in the corner like a scared little boy, waiting for an easier target.

I am so happy I no longer work under this type of disfunctional ............

Freedom is Not Free

 

[B19 Flyer]

Seems like you want to run your Pilot force just like the Sales Force of a Car Dealer. If I just filter out the bottom each and every year, I'll keep the Fear of God (Bob19) in these employees, and get them to work their tails off constantly running scared.

That type of environment may work for you as the one pulling the strings Bob19, but I don't think you'll find many Professional Pilots who wish to work in that type of environment.

Once again folks, we see how Bob19 picks and chooses what he will respond to. When faced with an argument he cannot win, he hides in the corner like a scared little boy, waiting for an easier target.

I am so happy I no longer work under this type of disfunctional ............

Freedom is Not Free

I'm not Bob so I never made those statements. I stopped bothering to respond to this mistaken identity issue years ago. So, there isn't anything to respond to because.. it's not me.

Besides, it looks to me like 1108 has met it's match anyway, three years and counting, they didn't get it done and every single union member is suffering the consequences of their failure. Now, they have no chance at a good contract.

 

[Semore Butts]

So, what your telling me is B-19


What you are saying is the hiring process should be exactly like the seniority process.

Every company should simply hire, in the order they walk in off the street, any pilot that proves they can fly an airplane regardless of prior qualifications.

Yep.. first come first served. That's fair, right? If they are going to furlough pilots that are hired last regardless of skill, then they should be hired the same way. It's only fair.

Lets say;You've been where you are for 5 years. (I think that is what you said?)

I hire in there tomorrow into the same job you have, But!

I'm a "Double Top Gun" (I heard your just a 1 Top Gun).

So, they decide to let some people go. So you are saying they should get rid of you (having been there for 5 years) as opposed to me because have a "Double Top Gun"? (You only have 1?)

Just checking!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Best for the company, not the union.

Yep.. first come first served. That's fair, right? If they are going to furlough pilots that are hired last regardless of skill, then they should be hired the same way. It's only fair.

Lets say;You've been where you are for 5 years. (I think that is what you said?)

I hire in there tomorrow into the same job you have, But!

I'm a "Double Top Gun" (I heard your just a 1 Top Gun).

So, they decide to let some people go. So you are saying they should get rid of you (having been there for 5 years) as opposed to me because have a "Double Top Gun"? (You only have 1?)

Just checking!

Once again, I'm not "Bob", but I'll respond.


What a pilot does previous or outside the company has no bearing on how he flies inside the company.

I've seen fighter pilots struggle with CRM concepts and a former 160th MH47 driver fail a check ride because he was non-standard, not because he didn't have stick and rudder skills.

I've personally seen pilots survive the grievance process with fellow pilots that didn't want to fly with them defending them for the sake of the union. A weak pilot is one that doesn't work within the framework of how an individual company operates. How many former legacy pilots have you worked with that had no customer service skills or didn't want to throw a bag? Captain attitudes where there isn't an FO in the world good enough to fly a leg, that always creates a great atmosphere.

No.. weak pilots have little to do with resumes. It has everything to do with attitude and being able to adjust to the individual mission. The inability to weed those out and keep the best for what is good for the company is not what the union cares about. This is the same group that would fire a mechanic or flight follower in a heartbeat if they didn't meet their standards.

With a union it's all about the standard they set, and that is rarely what is good for the company. Instead, it's based on what is best for their wallet.

 

[Freedom]

OK Bob...

I'm not Bob so I never made those statements. I stopped bothering to respond to this mistaken identity issue years ago. So, there isn't anything to respond to because.. it's not me.

Besides, it looks to me like 1108 has met it's match anyway, three years and counting, they didn't get it done and every single union member is suffering the consequences of their failure. Now, they have no chance at a good contract.

Then let me at least thank you for responding (because we know you don't respond because its not you).

Have a Nice Day in that distorted world you live in within your own mind.


Freedom is Not Free

 

[993_Pilot]

What a moron!

...Yep.. first come first served. That's fair, right? If they are going to furlough pilots that are hired last regardless of skill, then they should be hired the same way. It's only fair.

It didn't work out so well here...

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/blue_angels_hold_first_ever_open

Now you're quoting fake news articles. . . really ???

What will you believe next?

Hey B19, I have a gold mine that I want to sell you. It's worth trillions, but you can have it for only 1 million. I just don't have the time to work it because I don't want to give up my great flying job at Flops.

Here is a LINK from Pensacola News Journal.

The Onion, "America's Finest News Reporting" is an award-winning satirical publication founded in 1988 in Madison, Wisconsin.

For a good laugh, click HERE to see some more of the Onions newsworthy cover stories.

 

[fischman]

Once again, I'm not "Bob", but I'll respond.

Yet another lie...

I think you met your quota for today.

 

[brokeflyer]

it's 3 years and counting because management won't bargain in good faith and give anything up at all. Management already has the money tied up in their oen salary, so they got nothing to lose.

As soon as management leans that they need to actully PAY these people who do all the work and keep the company afloat the better off it will be.

and that means you may have to keep your BMW for 2 WHOLE years instead of getting a new one every year.

undisputed facts there.....sorry.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yet another lie...

I think you met your quota for today.

I'm not Bob. But if the union treats his as well as they do me, I hope the contract negotiations go on for years.... :crying:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Now you're quoting fake news articles. . . really ???

What will you believe next?

Hey B19, I have a gold mine that I want to sell you. It's worth trillions, but you can have it for only 1 million. I just don't have the time to work it because I don't want to give up my great flying job at Flops.

Here is a LINK from Pensacola News Journal.

The Onion, "America's Finest News Reporting" is an award-winning satirical publication founded in 1988 in Madison, Wisconsin.

For a good laugh, click HERE to see some more of the Onions newsworthy cover stories.

It is almost frightening that you thought that article was almost real and actually researched it.

You really need a union to speak for you.

 

[fischman]

I'm not Bob.

Whatever dude...

Prove it.

 

[993_Pilot]

It is almost frightening that you thought that article was almost real and actually researched it.

You really need a union to speak for you.

Yeah right, I'm the one that though it was real.

What is really frightening, is that you didn't bother to research a story that was so ridiculous. If you knew it was fake, you would have picked a better example, or at least hinted that it was fake.

That's the best excuse you can come up with?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Whatever dude...

Prove it.

Don't have to. The more you think I'm him, the more entertainment I have.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Now you're quoting fake news articles. . . really ???

good gawd.... I can't believe you didn't find that funny, and perfectly in context with the conversation.

You need to lighten up and go non union...

 

[Freedom]

Excellent:

Don't have to. The more you think I'm him, the more entertainment I have.

Then per B19's desire, I hereby request that all who respond to B19's lies, address him as Bob19.

We might as well give the man what makes him happy, especially if it costs us nothing.

Call it a Gift for the Holiday Season.

Freedom is Not Free