Mine was a yes

[Andy Neill]

Andy, what exactly do you mean by "just because the company made a bad decision doesn't mean you should"?
You can't possibly be referring to a vote for ALPA can you??? I think his example is just one of many that people are trying to make to show that perhaps there really is a need for ALPA here on the property, and that voting for it would not only not be a "bad decision", but a prudent one!!

Again, an example of hearing what you want to hear. Let me try this again. Just because the company made a bad decision in giving out your cell phone number, doesn't mean that you should make a bad decision in talking directly to the FAA. See? Had nothing to do with ALPA.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Again, an example of hearing what you want to hear. Let me try this again. Just because the company made a bad decision in giving out your cell phone number, doesn't mean that you should make a bad decision in talking directly to the FAA. See? Had nothing to do with ALPA.

Or maybe it's an example of you "hearing what you want to hear"?? You'll notice I posed this to you as a question, with a question mark at the end?

 

[MYFpilot]

I was really at a deadlock, thinking “yes” one day and “no” the next...

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I'll second SkyNation's comment, Well stated!! Anyway, I've posted this before, but here's a few questions to ponder and hopefully help you make up your mind...

If you called in fatigued and your chief pilot wanted you in his office ASAP to explain your actions would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If you were involved in an accident or an incident would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If you had issues with your medical would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If you busted a checkride or PC would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If the current management personnel at SkyWest were to change (actually happening as we speak) would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If a crewmember or passenger injured themselves onboard your aircraft would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

If we were to merge seniority lists with ASA would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

SAPA elections have a 20% voter turnout. Who would better able to unify the SkyWest pilot group ALPA or SAPA?

Do you like working 5 and 6 days in a row, with only two days off in between, it happens every month with PBS to junior and senior crewmembers alike. I know reserves being sent on 5 and 6 day TDY trips (That's 5 and 6 days straight flying away from home with no days off) Who would be better suited to address scheduling issues, ALPA or SAPA?

I hate paying 150 bucks a month for car and homeowners insurance, but what if?

How much is your ATP or Commercial certificate worth to you? ALPA may not get me a raise? but 2% is cheap career insurance.
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[Andy Neill]

Or maybe it's an example of you "hearing what you want to hear"?? You'll notice I posed this to you as a question, with a question mark at the end?

Yeah, that's probably it.

 

[inthegoo]

Hey Andy, forgive me if this has already been covered here but are you still at SkyWest?

I heard you were wrongfully terminated, is this true?

-Goo

 

[Andy Neill]

Hey Andy, forgive me if this has already been covered here but are you still at SkyWest?

I heard you were wrongfully terminated, is this true?

-Goo

You heard wrong... it was a very righteous termination. What are you up to?

 

[inthegoo]

rightous? thats sarcasm right?

what did they terminate you for?

Do you remember me? you taught me emb systems in feb of 2000 (wow im old)

-Jason Ianiro

 

[Andy Neill]

rightous? thats sarcasm right?

what did they terminate you for?

Do you remember me? you taught me emb systems in feb of 2000 (wow im old)

-Jason Ianiro

Remember you well. No sarcasm at all. It was a righteous bust.

Know of any good barbecue places?

 

[inthegoo]

you remember me always talkin BBQ?

thats funny, are you still in SLC?

get down to Blues City Cafe next time you are in MEM, at 2nd and Beale, dont screw around with that half rack B.S. just get the full rack, its only 5 buxx more, lotsa extra sauce on the side, ummm,

man I better go to bed, I am droolin on my leg,

so damn skywest fired ya, was it that Fizer clown?

 

[joe_pilot]

I'll second SkyNation's comment, Well stated!! Anyway, I've posted this before, but here's a few questions to ponder and hopefully help you make up your mind...​

If you called in fatigued and your chief pilot wanted you in his office ASAP to explain your actions would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If you were involved in an accident or an incident would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If you had issues with your medical would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If you busted a checkride or PC would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If the current management personnel at SkyWest were to change (actually happening as we speak) would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If a crewmember or passenger injured themselves onboard your aircraft would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

If we were to merge seniority lists with ASA would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?​

SAPA elections have a 20% voter turnout. Who would better able to unify the SkyWest pilot group ALPA or SAPA?​

Do you like working 5 and 6 days in a row, with only two days off in between, it happens every month with PBS to junior and senior crewmembers alike. I know reserves being sent on 5 and 6 day TDY trips (That's 5 and 6 days straight flying away from home with no days off) Who would be better suited to address scheduling issues, ALPA or SAPA?​

I hate paying 150 bucks a month for car and homeowners insurance, but what if?​

How much is your ATP or Commercial certificate worth to you? ALPA may not get me a raise? but 2% is cheap career insurance.​

MYFpilot,

Thanks for the comments. Just for the record, I did vote yes, hence the title of the thread.

ALPA was the answer that I gave for most of the questions, but I just don't think the question of whether or not to certify a union was as simple as comparing SAPA to ALPA. At least not for me, anyway.

I just want to make sure that after 1400 EST tomorrow, we move forward together. I for one am going to work towards that.

-JP

 

[Ski Bum]

It is an important decision for everybody and the reasons for voting for ALPA are as varied as our pilot group. The main thing to keep in mind is that we all must make a decison in the next few hours. There is no sitting "on the fence" in this election. You either vote for representation, or you don't vote (which is a vote against it). The clock is ticking and at 1400 EST we will see how we as a pilot group move forward.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

• 1.9 less gross pay

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Union dues are tax dedeductable.... in addition, your 1.95% puts you into a professional organization...​

• Difficulty in removing the Union once in place

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ALPA is a democracy...would you get rid of the US Constitution? No need to get rid of democracy.. just particapte!​

• Conflict of interest between Mainline versus Regional Carriers​

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Any current conflict now, the SKWY pilots have no say... by joining ALPA, the SKYW pilots can work with UAL and DAL pilots...​

• I dislike the “rah, rah”, “management is evil”, “workers unite” extreme* mentality

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Perhaps... it is really a repsonse to hard core extreme reality of the anti labor movement...​

• To a degree, stifles my employer’s ability to react to a rapidly changing marketplace

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Not really.... look at Southwest... they are very unionized... It all depends on your managements leadership style..recall they are the ones in control...​

• Potentially adds a layer of bureaucracy between me and my management team

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Not sure if it adds a layer... is there a layer now?​

• Though rare, the Union does protect the jobs of people who deserve to be fired.

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Who desrves to be fired is subjective. ALPA provides dues process and ensures fairness.

In addition many pilots think ALPA keeps the lowest common denominator around.. well consider it a buffer cause most guys aren't the best or the worst.. but if the company can keep firing the worst.. then eventually they will get to you...




I applaud your yes vote and only replied to those last min fence sitters...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It is an important decision for everybody and the reasons for voting for ALPA are as varied as our pilot group. The main thing to keep in mind is that we all must make a decison in the next few hours. There is no sitting "on the fence" in this election. You either vote for representation, or you don't vote (which is a vote against it). The clock is ticking and at 1400 EST we will see how we as a pilot group move forward.

Keep in mind this more than just you the individual..

This is about being a part of a profession.... contributing to something that is greater than just one person...

The more you give the more you get...

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Does one have to be done with IOE to vote??

 

[jayme]

yes. you have to have been done ioe by some time in September, I think. If you got a ballot you are entitled to vote.

 

[joe_pilot]

I applaud your yes vote and only replied to those last min fence sitters...

Thanks Rez. I hope it does go through. I hope any undecided people make the decision to vote yes, but I also fully respect those who made an informed choice and voted no by making a conscious decision to not call.

Not saying you don't, but for me this is about voting smart. For me, I believe the smart choice (by a nose-hair) is to vote in ALPA. That doesn't change the fact that the things I listed are negatives (at least as perceived by me, the “no” votes and a LOT of fence sitters). That hasn't changed for me. I just don't want to refute each one point by point right now. Someone asked me why I came off the fence on the side of ALPA and I told them as honestly as possible. I think it is vital to present the pros and cons of all the issues. I was asked several times to be on the OC, but declined because it ruins my perceived objectivity on the matter. I have had a discussion with every pilot I’ve flown with, spent time at Lofty’s and at the hangar talking to the new guys. My target audience has been those people who are interested in discussing both sides of the issue, not just one.

There are downsides to having ALPA, it's just that I believe the pros outweigh the cons.

For me it was a yes.

36 minutes and counting. Hope we got it Rez.

-JP