Mindset of the typical US Airways east pilot?

[get2flyin]

We took responsibility into our own hands and that's why we are Usapa!!!
Argue all you want the facts remain the Nic was a non starter and the west greed caused this mess. Plus a senile arbitraitor. You can place a 18 year never furloughed pilot next to a new hire. Ain't gonna work!!!!
Alpa wise up and changed the policy when they saw the mistake and abortion Nicolau caused the piloting profession. The east pilots did this to preserve the only thing we all bring to a merger: DATE OF HIRE!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you were that "18 year never furloughed pilot". Am I right?

 

[waveflyer]

Nic placed him senior to our guys

No they didn't
Jesus, this is why those of us who've been in the industry call this "dumb"

There's really no other word.

Now, for the inanely stupid, I'll type slow

You hired in 2007 didn't you?
Those new hires (3rd listers) were placed directly under your most junior FO who had how many years with AAA?

Identical seniority for the rest of their career even though the pilot one number senior to that new hire had a decade more longevity

Can you please acknowledge what seniority actually is?

 

[St. Nic]

No they didn't
Jesus, this is why those of us who've been in the industry call this "dumb"

There's really no other word.

Now, for the inanely stupid, I'll type slow

You hired in 2007 didn't you?
Those new hires (3rd listers) were placed directly under your most junior FO who had how many years with AAA?

Identical seniority for the rest of their career even though the pilot one number senior to that new hire had a decade more longevity

Can you please acknowledge what seniority actually is?

Seniority is determined by your hire date. Period! In your example you asked about the newhires being placed directly below the most junior FO. Our junior FO was hired in 2001. So, what is only fair is if an AMerican West pilot who was hired in 2002 is placed below the 2001 hired pilot. What is wrong with that?

 

[General Lee]

Seniority is determined by your hire date. Period! In your example you asked about the newhires being placed directly below the most junior FO. Our junior FO was hired in 2001. So, what is only fair is if an AMerican West pilot who was hired in 2002 is placed below the 2001 hired pilot. What is wrong with that?

Which arbitrators as of late have accepted DOH for any of the recent mergers? Answer: NONE. Don't sign up for BINDING ARBITRATION if you won't accept the award, and the great thing is your side chose NIC...... He was one of your three choices. Ooooops.


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Superbird]

Which arbitrators as of late have accepted DOH for any of the recent mergers? Answer: NONE. Don't sign up for BINDING ARBITRATION if you won't accept the award, and the great thing is your side chose NIC...... He was one of your three choices. Ooooops.


Bye Bye----General Lee

Go easy on St Nic. Usapa is free pouring the 'good stuff' to its followers and it appears St Nic just can't get enough.

People tend to imbibe more freely when they are stressed about losing something. Judge Silver must really have these clowns in a tizzy; east vs east, recalls, pizza...so hard to follow; as the dysfunction continues to collect at the door.

The smell of cigarettes and broken dreams are about all that's left at ******************************s WHQ. Sad really.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Seniority is determined by your hire date. Period! In your example you asked about the newhires being placed directly below the most junior FO. Our junior FO was hired in 2001. So, what is only fair is if an AMerican West pilot who was hired in 2002 is placed below the 2001 hired pilot. What is wrong with that?

You are not adding AW pilots to YOUR list, you are developing a NEW list for a NEW airline. That never sunk in, did it?

I doubt you are a "never furloughed pilot", more likely a never hired pilot.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Gee NIC, why didn't you form USAPA before the seniority negotiations began? Then your fantasy could have come true. Heck, you might have salvaged a shred of dignity.

Shoulda woulda coulda, eh, Nic?

 

[Bringupthebird]

The smell of cigarettes and broken dreams are about all that's left at ******************************s WHQ. Sad really.

Are you kidding? McKee is planning on taking over at APA. Just ask him.

 

[A350]

Wave:

Again....if memory serves, ALPA merger policy changed after the first UAL/USAir attempt. The second merger was approved, but UAL would not divest what the DOJ wanted, so they forked over the $50 mil and walked.

There was no way that USAir's MEC would be able to get the votes for changing ALPA merger policy when one of the elephants was trying to get it changed (and no less in their favor).

No one at USAir east was going to advocate a DOH list without any conditions and restrictions. In other words, an East furloughee with 15 years seniority was not about to go bump a West 757 Captain. That has always been the West's arguement for saying no to a DOH list. Allowing a DOH list with conditions and restrictions would have allowed the East pilots, who were generally older and more senior, to close out their careers flying a widebody. This was their right, as they broght the widebodies to the table. The Nic list made sure this would never happen. He did protect the top 500 or so pilots who were flying the widebody, but he threw the others who had it in their career expectations to the wolves. The West pilots were allowed to get in a place that guarantees them widebody flying day one of the implementation date when they never had that in their expectations. It is pretty lopsided.

The answer to your question is that no one would have ever believed that an ALPA/ALPA merger could go so lopsided. Why would you try to change something that you believed would never bite you so hard?

A350

 

[Jim]

...but he threw the others who had it in their career expectations to the wolves. ..

Except that the career expectations of all east pilots at that time were to be on the street under chapter 7. All you east pilots seem to conveniently forget this little fact.