Midwest will Cease all 717 Ops Nov 3, 2009

[nwaredtail]

Ummmmm, doubt it. DL RJ numbers will be at around 200 total within 2 years from now from what I hear. I think it is going the right direction if that is the case.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Put down the pipe General. They may be parking some 50 seaters as the leases/contracts come due, but they are utilizing the 76 seaters more for an actual INCREASE in block hours. Add in the eventual relief "joke" will gibe them and you will see the 9's and 88's go away very quickly.

 

[mynameisjim]

...I forecast a little more than 200 jets in two years. I was thinking we would see 350-425 depending on if the DCI operators played ball and paid for the leases. Some will have to to stay afloat. The question is how long can they successfully do it. I am thinking two years unless some lease companies give them the jets for pennies on the dollar, which may happen because some money is better than no money.

So do you think Delta will be growing during that two year period, or will they remain the same while total ASMs drop?

 

[eaglesview]

Remember what was going on in the minds of mainline negotiators during the late 80's and early 90's: They were interested in eliminating the B-scales, protecting their pensions, and securing the top end of their pay scales and they thought that scope was an expendable part of their contract. Funny how all the parts of a contract work together somehow and when you jettison one, you leave the rest vulnerable.

That is absolutely correct.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So do you think Delta will be growing during that two year period, or will they remain the same while total ASMs drop?

I think we will see a flat to slight decline in mainline ASM's YOY until this next fall. If the economy is still in the tank, DAL will reassess. Looking at the world economy, Asia is starting to rise so we should see a positive uptick here.

Look at the Asian carriers traffic reports. There is some positive news out there finally.

Going in to 2011. If the economy is good we will see some decent growth.

 

[Monster Buck]

What's the topic of this thread?

 

[General Lee]

Put down the pipe General. They may be parking some 50 seaters as the leases/contracts come due, but they are utilizing the 76 seaters more for an actual INCREASE in block hours. Add in the eventual relief "joke" will gibe them and you will see the 9's and 88's go away very quickly.

I meant we should LOSE 200 RJs in the next couple years HOPEFULLY. A lot of 50 seaters should be gone, including some from a certain contract carrier that will leave when their contract is up, much to the chagrin of our lawyers. And, I just don't see us giving up on ANYTHING scope related---thanks to us now having the famous "Cobras" on our collective side. Have a great one BRO!

Bye Bye--General Lee