Midwest Stops Flying (it's own planes)

[Superpilot92]

http://www.alpa.tv/DesktopModules/UltraVideoGallery/UltraVideoGallery.swf?vId=281&portalId=14

 

[CitationLover]

Minimaniac,

Good post. I pretty much agree with all of it. You pointed out one very unique aspect of the RAH/Midwest scenario. Namely, Midwest only had 25 planes. The same kind of thing happens all the time between other majors and other regionals. The problem this time is that a relatively small amount of flying shifting from one airline to another resulted in the demise of one of the carriers. Losing 25 planes out of 400 is unfortunate. Losing 25 planes out of 25 is catastrophic.

Midwest had 33 airplanes. I would wager a small fortune that it was Bedford telling TH to get rid of the MD80's long before telling him to get rid of the 717's.

 

[b82rez]

25 717s plus 12 80s = 37 planes

 

[aewanabe]

I'd just like to start this off with, You're a scum bag. You and every single RAH pilot. You guys have stabbed every other pilot group in the back, just to get the "Guppy Killer".

1. No, you need to accept the fact that it's regional pilots like yourself who are willing to fly bigger airplanes for less money. How cool is it that you get to haul around 100 passengers around in that airplane, but as a captain you're still living in your parents basement?

2. If you want to make money, I suggest you quit flying for **** wages which in turn allows mainline management to dump it's pilots for scum like yourself, who will do it for cheaper.

Ah, the joys of unmitigated hypocrisy. That CRJ you flew never replaced any mainline jobs, huh?

 

[Captain Morgan]

http://www.alpa.tv/DesktopModules/UltraVideoGallery/UltraVideoGallery.swf?vId=281&portalId=14

That's a good video, although I wouldn't just rely on ALPA, or any union's rhetoric as the final word. There are other well written sources. And yes, I own a copy of "Flying the Line" and "Flying the Line 2." What Minimaniac's post says is good info too and there are other sources to figure out what has happened with these dealings.

This is a pretty interesting clip of the last days of People's Express. The really interesting part comes at about :42 seconds when it talks about the mess that was Continental back then. History does repeat itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVATdI7Ci74&feature=related

 

[CitationLover]

25 717s plus 12 80s = 37 planes

Correct, I was only adding in the owned (which I think was 8) and not previously leased MD80's.

 

[Regul8r]

RAH will get theirs someday, too. Bedford (much like Orenstein) didn't reinvent the airline wheel here. They just found pilots who would do it for less. The cycle will come full cirle and there will be a newer, cheaper source of contract lift someday. Much like MAG pilots, RAH pilots will get a dose of their own medicine. Enjoy those ERJs before they're returned to the lessors.

 

[RobCat]

what happen to Midwest can happen anywhere. The Midwest Brand was sold and bought by a completly different company that had there own a/c and aircrews. Are the original NWA/Republc pilots entitled to a position at the new Republic.

 

[jravi8tor]

what happen to Midwest can happen anywhere. The Midwest Brand was sold and bought by a completly different company that had there own a/c and aircrews. Are the original NWA/Republc pilots entitled to a position at the new Republic.

Are you kidding? Do you read what you write. The new Republic is merely a holding company with mutiple airlines under its umbrella; and why would a NWA/Republic pilot want to be apart of RAH? Answer, THEY WOULDN'T!

Republic of old was a merger of Grits and Duck aka Southern and North Central with ops in MEM, DTW and MSP.

Furloughed MIDEX

 

[dougdrvr]

Are you kidding? Do you read what you write. The new Republic is merely a holding company with mutiple airlines under its umbrella; and why would a NWA/Republic pilot want to be apart of RAH? Answer, THEY WOULDN'T!

Republic of old was a merger of Grits and Duck aka Southern and North Central with ops in MEM, DTW and MSP.

Furloughed MIDEX

You forgot Hughes Airwest! This Republic wouldn't make a pimple on the originals A$$.

 

[RobCat]

Are you kidding? Republic of old was a merger of Grits and Duck aka Southern and North Central with ops in MEM, DTW and MSP.

Furloughed MIDEX

LOL. True enough Red book Green book. That was a nice merger. My post was suppose to question the sence of entitlement that airline pilots tend to have.

 

[jravi8tor]

LOL. True enough Red book Green book. That was a nice merger. My post was suppose to question the sence of entitlement that airline pilots tend to have.

You're trying to compare a Carnivore to VEGAN. Two totally different animals; simply no comparison! Totally irrelevant.

 

[Donsa320]

LOL. True enough Red book Green book. That was a nice merger. My post was suppose to question the sence of entitlement that airline pilots tend to have.

Red Book, Green Book was Republic and Northwest, not NCA and Southern.

 

[goodpilotithink]

LOL, you left out the part were we at Comair put our careers on the line by walking out for 89 days back in 2001 just to have the Repubic scum bags stab us in the back by under cutting our contract because your MEC told you that if you accept the offer, you would get a lot of Delta flying.
That is the true essence of the Repubic pilot group.
You guys actually intentionally under cut our contract so you could fly shiny new jets with no thought what so ever of the damage it would do to our flying careers. A selfish and short sighted thing we at Comair think of every time we see any of you worthless pukes.
I am going to throw a party when those two new Airlines your company just took over drain all your cash and you all lose your jobs.
..hope I wasn't too harsh.

 

[AvroJockey]

minimaniac had a really good post. Hopefully the ALPA and the Republic MEC extends good terms under the integration. I think anything less than DOH would be insulting. The YX pilots put in their time and deserve it.

 

[han_solo]

Why don't Midwest pilots try to integrate with Frontier instead of Republic?

 

[Bluestreak]

LOL, you left out the part were we at Comair put our careers on the line by walking out for 89 days back in 2001 just to have the Repubic scum bags stab us in the back by under cutting our contract because your MEC told you that if you accept the offer, you would get a lot of Delta flying.
That is the true essence of the Repubic pilot group.
You guys actually intentionally under cut our contract so you could fly shiny new jets with no thought what so ever of the damage it would do to our flying careers. A selfish and short sighted thing we at Comair think of every time we see any of you worthless pukes.
I am going to throw a party when those two new Airlines your company just took over drain all your cash and you all lose your jobs.
..hope I wasn't too harsh.

And YOU left out the part about buy-a-job at Comair.No RAH pilot group took a paycut-you DID ! Your comrades PAID to fly a shiny CRJ,is that too harsh cupcake ?

 

[LearLove]

And YOU left out the part about buy-a-job at Comair.No RAH pilot group took a paycut-you DID ! Your comrades PAID to fly a shiny CRJ,is that too harsh cupcake ?

chq was pft for about as long as comair.

if my memory serves me right the only non pft airlines in the pre 911 world were:

allegheny, pdt, tsa, eagle, horizon, cape air and air wiss

 

[samballs]

And YOU left out the part about buy-a-job at Comair.No RAH pilot group took a paycut-you DID ! Your comrades PAID to fly a shiny CRJ,is that too harsh cupcake ?

Possibly the worst post of the year. No pilots at OH took a pay cut. Try to remeber what our contract was before BK. Next go back and look at what happened in BK they took your contract and all the other crap ones in DCI and said you need to be closer to these wages and rules. We then said F off, they said Mr. Judge can we throw out their contract because the pilots of CHQ, skywest, mesa, have much lower wages and no where close to the work rules we are bound by in this contract, the judge in turn said lets have a couple of sessions in the court room but don't worry I'll do as we always do, I'll let you throw out there contract. After a month he said "pilots" you are paid way to much compared to the other DCI carriers. We then went back to the table and were given a deadline day came and shamefully 50.01 voted yes. But ahhhh wait the FLT atts stood up to the company next and the company had to renigotiate with us, then in turn we got a little more from the company. Now even after BK our FO's make between 4 and 6 dollars more than yours. Hows that quick upgrade? Our capts took huge paycuts and lost retirements, but most of our Capts are topped out or close to it so they basically make more then your capts, don't boast about your 18 yr wages you guys got those (still below the pre bk comair rates, thanks) because not really anyone is at those wages. Finally your holding company just bought Midwest which will/is going by the way side, so that equals nothing, and they bought Frontier, which good company too bad they have to deal with RP, but I don't know if you looked at loads this week, but they sucked for everyone and when RP starts burning up its remaining money they will have to decide keep regional side or sell frontier or something because you will lose money. In finishing nice job not knowing everyone paid for training before 9/11. Now F off Cupcake. And who uses that expression cupcake, do you have spiked hair and oakleys?

 

[SennaP1]

Possibly the worst post of the year. YOURS

Indeed.

BUT, why do you have that mannish-looking "girl" in a bikini as your avatar.